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You have to leave!!! Get a place to stay w roommates, get a job. Maybe get caregiver for him? Medicaid will pay if he has it ...hugs 🤗
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Thank you everyone, for helping me see what the only real option was. I think I knew that when I posted here. I talked to him and it was not great, he did indeed go to a very dark place right away when I told him I was going to be leaving. But it doesn't change anything, I'm still leaving. I've got a place lined up I think, still being confirmed but its looking promising. Thank you again everyone for just telling me exactly what I needed to hear so I could change my life for the better. I'm def an emotional wreck still, but I'm solid in my conviction now, I can see it for what it is now and I'm not going to keep putting myself in this position. And I'm absolutely going to seek some sort of counseling or therapy.
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Davina Jul 2019
Hope you keep us posted. All the best to you--xxxooo!
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sound familiar. The best day of my life is when i send ENOUGH. Walked away, didn't look back. Someone cant treat you like crap unless you allow it. I did, then I stopped it. No guilt. He was a miserable SOB, treated the people in his life like a litter box. Oh the look on that man's face when I said, no more. Wish i could have taken a photo. Keep this in mind. If and when you have had enough, stick to it, if you allow him back into your life, it is on YOUR terms, if he breaks your rule. Thats it, no 2nd chances. Be very clear on the rules, no "feelings" very specific.

Mine, broken my rule. Hadn't seen him for nearly 16 years when he passed. The Devil has a right hand man!
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Davina Jul 2019
Good for you, Victoria!
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Sadsammy, you must leave. You must not feel guilty. He can only abuse and hurt you with your permission. As recommended below, join local support groups to find hope and keep yourself accountable to your own life and wellbeing. Blessings.
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Dear Sad Sammy,
I just joined this forum today, and it is likely to respond to you.

One doesn't have "perspective" unless it is from AFAR. I left home at 15 because of one abusive parent, a mother who is now nearly 90, and I have come "home" to help. But while she is away... I am remodeling her home for safety, putting a 30$ bidet washer on the john, threw away all toxins, bought sensitive soap for her ailing skin and a better air conditioner, etc. And I know I MUST LEAVE within 2 days of her arrival. Why? I will become horribly depressed.
And be useless to anyone, including myself. She says things like, "you have never held a job and have never worked a day in your life amounted to nothing." (I have had many jobs as an independent journalist, have 3 masters degrees and raised a child on my own.) And within days I start believing her. That I am worthless unless I LISTEN TO HER. (her goal.) And now that she has dementia a bit, I cant "listen to her advice." And I never could. I really had no functioning mother, as she never "saw" me.

Why I am writing... you cant "see you" in such a household. All that clutters your mind and your possible path to a future meaningful to you.

Imagine yourself in a place with a sweet roommate, or even a room of yur own with NO ONE asking you for obligitory labor, and some time to actually read a book. If you want to assess your actual skills (I am sure these have been belittled) try "what color is your parachute" as if you can stand to do all that while holding a job, you likely are capable of handling and enjoying an even better job, when you DONT have to handle all that as well.

Life starts anew daily. When you dont have all these terrible examples of how to care for yourself, you can also begin caring for yourself, your own body better.

When you feel sh*tty, start gently tapping your own chest. It is part of EFT, self mothering, and just getting yourself back to the present reality, and it lets yourself know that you are capable of "self soothing."

Once you have your new apartment, room, share, (only with super KIND people!)
take long mineral salt baths, listen to soothing upbeat music and calm your nervous system down, and realize YOU ARE SAFE. A decade or two of "not feeling safe or loved is enough to kill you. REalize that too.

And also that there are things like this in the world..
https://www.chamonix.com/cosmojazz-festival,41-4968610-138912,en.html

High altitude jazz concerts, and all sorts of lovely things.. that you cant even imagine when you are staring at and making the people who dont respect you and your gifts as mirrors.

Here is my mirror. You are worthy, You are caring. You don't deserve any of this crap and your caring wont make them change. Your leaving might.

Take great and impeccable care of yourself and be a great example to those who CARE.

Love,
elise
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silverlining44 Aug 2019
Elise, what a wonderful response! my stress level went down just reading it!

"Life starts anew daily. When you dont have all these terrible examples of how to care for yourself, you can also begin caring for yourself, your own body better." Very powerful words! And your response in general. I'm going to print it out for me because I personally need it right now.

SadSammy, please know that by posting your question, you are helping others who also have suffered - or are in the midst of suffering. And that you aren't alone.
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You need to live YOUR life and protect your health/sanity. Start researching like crazy agencies etc. that can help you(sounds like you've started-yeay!). Giving up your life for your dad doesn't help him-he needs some kind of separate situation. And give yourself credit for standing up for yourself with an abusive parent (I know that one). Sending kindness to you🌻
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First of all, you say that you are caring for an (always) abusive parent because of "guilt". What exactly are you guilty of? Having an abusive parent? The truth is that abusive parents create instead of an independent child who is capable of negotiating life with a strong sense of worth, a needy child, constantly waiting on the three words "I love You". This is something the child will never get. So time to stop hoping that will happen. Unless as yet another manipulation it will not. Your father and mother are likely suffering from behavior disorders. It is very likely they are both incapable of loving. They are however capable of creating a world in which they can use the people they can draw into their webs.
Your father still works. This means that he is capable of also stopping at the store and cooking for himself, and either hiring someone to clean or doing it himself. I don't see that he is demented.
And, no, filial laws are something I have NEVER seen put into effect.
So you are free to free yourself, and now it is on you to do so. No one can do this for you. In order to do so at this point you will need help because it is not your father or your mother stopping you, it is your own fear. Own that fear. It is yours, and it is real. Admit to it and admit it to everyone you speak with. That's the only way you can begin to work your way out of it and it will BE work, but it will have also satisfaction, something now missing from your life entirely.
I am hoping that there is some friend who has not been set aside in this abusive situation. Enlist that person's support to meet with you and your father; It is time now to give your father a timeline in which he is to leave your apartment. Tell him that as long as he can obey house rules he may stay 1 month or whatever you decide. Stick to this. I don't know that running away to another state is a good option, but desperate times can lead to desperate choices. I know it will not be easy.
You have mentioned some suicidal ideation unless I am wrong. I encourage you to reach out to a hotline, and especially for resources in your area to access for help either free or sliding scale. If you do not wish them on your doorstep (they do have rules) use a burner phone and use it at a secret location and do not give your information. A visit may be a good idea, however, and were I you I would welcome it at this point.
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Sadsammy Jul 2019
You are right. I won't lie and its a really hard pill to swallow, but I'm exactly that person you describe. I feel pretty foolish tbh, I don't know why I've been sticking around for some sort of 'i love you' or validation that I logically knew was never going to come.

I've reached out to my boss, I'm a remote worker, he and his family are in another state. Only one away we aren't talking across the country, its drivable and visitable. So I suppose I don't see it as running so much as simply moving zip codes. The biggest leap will be from city to rural living, but mostly on my own income that would be more ideal anyway as I wouldn't be spending as much on rent. If I kicked him out, I would have to find a roommate or move anyway. I'm thinking moving will also provide more job opportunities for me, and upward mobility that I don't currently have because of the nature of my business.

You aren't wrong about ideation. I've been there, but that's also in the past tense. I've had some help in that arena but not as much as I probably need, I fully acknowledge that. When my husband died the world got very dark for me, and even though its been years i'm still dealing with it. However, I can honestly and optimistically say that today there is no ideation going on currently. Instead I feel scared because I know the road ahead will be hard, but also very enthusiastic and ready to start the next chapter of my life, the one where I'm not some doormat anymore.

Actually I'm feeling optimistic at the moment too. I didn't realize my boss and his family were an option as a resource to reach out to. I know you don't know me or them but I think this will be a good path to start to heal. The first thing I'm going to do is get into some sort of therapy or counselling. I realize I'll probably always be somewhat tainted by everything, the needy child feeling as you say, but i want to tamp that down as much as I can so I never find myself in this situation again, or find myself another toxic relationship.
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You have received good advice, I just want to touch on one comment you made. You stated that you have no one to turn to. There is always somewhere to turn.

Most communities have Women Against Violence Against Women WAVAW organizations. They are there to support women who are in and or leaving abusive relationships. The abuse does not have to be physical or sexual to be eligible for their services. Often they run shelters and have resources to help a women get back up on her feet.

There are Crisis Lines you can call day and night for support.

Lastly, when an abusive parents does say “I love you.” It does not ring true as people do not do horrible things to those they love. This I know from personal experience.
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Sadsammy Jul 2019
Yes everyone here has been very helpful, I've started reaching out. I reached out to my boss, he sounds like he's going to help and I'll be moving in a week or so. If that doesn't work, I'll be moving on to a shelter and start from scratch there. I guess was in denial about it being abuse until this morning when I made the post.
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According to your profile: "I am caring for my father Alan, who is 63 years old, living in my home with alzheimer's / dementia, anxiety, broken hip, cancer, depression, diabetes, hearing loss, heart disease, incontinence, lung disease, mobility problems, sleep disorder, stroke, urinary tract infection, and vision problems."

How on earth can he work with all of these conditions???

What is your home? A house? That you own? An apartment? Let's help you figure out a way to break you free from this abuser's grasp.
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Sadsammy Jul 2019
I might have accidentally did broken hip but all the rest of that rings true. He's a professional musician, plays piano. He can walk, but not well or fast. He has no plans to ever stop playing. Thank you for reaching out, you guys really don't know how much that means to me. He lives with me in my apartment atm. I think I might have a plan forming where I'll be leaving the state and leaving him here. But even if that falls through, I'm done.
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Sadsammy, I think that you are finally in enough pain to make meaningful changes. Today is the 1st day of the rest of your life.

Your dad doesn't need care. He wants a mommy or wife and you have worked great for that. No options for a full grown male except for him to put his big boy pants on and man up.

You are NEVER going to have parents that give a rats tail about you, stop torturing yourself with the lies that you can do something to change that fact. You can't, you didn't make them this way and they are happy being abusive psychopaths. They will never love you the way you desire, they aren't capable of loving anyone.

You don't stop loving your parents, you stop letting them tear you down and destroy you. You stop being in the line of fire for their abuse.

Your dad doesn't need you and that means you can walk. You are not in a position that some are, because their parents are so ill that they can't leave without making arrangements or they could go to jail. Leave before it gets to that point.

If having a heart attack didn't open your dads eyes, nothing will. He is happy making you miserable and controlling you and playing mind f@#$ games with you. Nothing about that says love or care.

I beg you to pack your bags and get to a battered women's shelter. They will help you build a life away from your abuser. You don't ever have to talk to him again until you are strong enough to not be destroyed by his hatefulness and that is all you are getting from him and most likely all you will ever get. He has made you his little housewife, you may not be sexually used that way but everything he forces you to do, like stay home all day, is what a jealous husband enforces on his wife. Can't let you get strong and healthy because he will loose his pissing post and cook, housekeeper etc. It is sick beyond anything you can see right now because you are too busy trying to make this male you call dad love and accept you. Enough already.

Get your stuff, everything that means anything to you and get out of there, don't ever go back. Get to a women's shelter today and start healing the heart that those b@st@rds have destroyed. Never look back, remember he doesn't give a f what anyone thinks. You are included in this anyone.

If you don't get out now you could be stuck for decades and people like your dad tend to live very long lives. Go figure. You matter and you don't deserve to be his doormat. I would leave him a note that says goodbye so he isn't calling the police, but you don't owe him any explanation or loyalty and you surely don't owe him the courtesy of a notice. That would just create more problems and believe me, he knows you and how to control you better then you know yourself. Just leave, no warning, no notice and no regrets. Save yourself before you become a statistic.

Parents that use their messed up childhoods as an excuse to hurt their own children are an abomination, if anything they should want to save their own children from the misery they themselves lived through. It is the worse excuse I have ever heard and it doesn't give them a free pass to do it to someone else.

Please get out before it is too late.
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Sadsammy Jul 2019
Thank you so much for taking the time to write me. I'm leaving. I'm def leaving one way or another. I think I got a plan coming together. I really don't know why I let it go on this long.
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Run, dont walk, away as fast as you can go!!! No way should you feel ANY guilt for going no contact with someone who is telling you he cares not one iota for you as a person and a daughter......please get into counseling to get thru the guilt feelings and to learn that YOU matter and YOU deserve a healthy happy life. Not to be mean, but pull up your big girl panties and take the bull by the horns and heal yourself through counseling, healthy eating and exercise......will help so much to get thru depression.....ive been in that black hole before and still have an off day now and then.....much love and healing blessings coming to you in this difficult time.....YOU CAN DO THIS!!!💖
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Sadsammy Jul 2019
Thank you so much! And you are right. Idk why I let it get to this point. I guess some feeling of obligation or something like that. I'm going to get out of this.
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SadSammy; why can't you leave?

Your dad has a job. He chooses not to be a responsible human being because you are laying down in front of him saying " step on me".

Give yourself a deadline. Say " by September 1, I will be in my own place". Break down the steps you need to take and set this in motion.
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Sadsammy Jul 2019
I know I can now. I'm obviously not miraculously healed in the hours since I posted this. But you are all right. I'm thinking two weeks or so, I'm waiting to hear back from some ppl to see. I reached out to my boss and his family, even if that doesn't work I'll find a way out, even if it means going to a shelter.
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If this was a paying job you would give notice.
Your dad is functioning..he is walking, holding down a job.
Figure out what you need to do to leave and how long it will take you.
If it is 4 weeks...tell dad in 3 weeks that you are going to move out at the end of the week. Normally I would say give him a few weeks notice but it almost sounds like he would do something to sabotage your exit.
Before you tell him have all the things you will be taking with you at a friends house or if you have an apartment that you have rented have everything there that you will need.

You can love him because he is your father but you do not have to give up your life for him. Keep a healthy emotional distance from both your parents.

If the time comes when he needs help you can help him find Assisted Living, you can help him apply for Medicaid if he needs to, you can help him connect with agencies that will help but you don't have to personally help. You have your own physical heath and mental health to be concerned with.
By the way if your dad is a Veteran you can help him by looking into what services he would qualify for through the VA.

As all Caregivers know you have to take care of yourself and this means knowing when to step back and do indirect care rather than direct care.
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I am taking care of my mom. Who abused me physically and emotionally when I was a little girl. Living on disability, I can't afford to move away. So, I learned to have functional boundaries with her. I don't jump at her demands. If I need to rest, I tell her so and find my personal space from her.
Afree telling me she was a survivor of of sexual abuse by a family member, I understood how she turned our to be the way she is.
Although she dishes out control & designations, I respond accordingly. With yes or no.
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Isthisrealyreal Jul 2019
Sashie, I am sorry that you feel like she has a good reason to hurt you. She doesn't, if anything she should have wanted to protect you.

There are services available for disabled adults, so you don't have to stay and be her pizzing post.

Nothing is a good excuse for abusing others. Nothing gives anyone a free pass to do harm to another human being, period.
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Your post is very upsetting, I am sorry that you are having to deal with this. My mother is a very toxic human being, her entire life has been about Boys, Booze and Bowling. She is an alcoholic, abusive bitch. I went no contact with her 8 years ago after she told me and my brother to go "F" ourselves and that we were useless, on Christmas Eve no less. This is not the first time that I have gone no contact, previously for 9 years and 4 years. The happiest times of my adult life. She is now 94, lives by herself in the mountain area of NC, she refuses to go into AL, she refuses to move closer to us, she refuses home help, no matter what it is she refuses to do it. My brother calls her weekly and visits her for a few days once a year, that is it, no one else in the family speaks to her, her brother has not spoken to her for at least 30 years, her sister 20. He like my mother is a master manipulator, a toxic person who does not and never will appreciate you, that is who he is...believe him. Me, I'd let him go now, he is still capable of managing his life, you are young, you do not deserve or need this in your life. Trust me when I say he will continue to get worse, not better, the older he gets the more hateful he will become. Don't give up your peace and happiness for this man. Life is a song worth singing....sing it!
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Sadsammy Jul 2019
You are right. I just needed the perspective of others to see clearly. I'm getting out of this, I don't know 100% what the path forward is, but I know that staying here isn't living. Thank you for reaching out.
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