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Hi Need Advice,
You also mention 'movement problems' being amidst your mum's history, and also that she's very sharp when not having 'an episode'.
You've done as you should in taking her to specialist.
You already know that infections can cause hallucinations and delusions and must be ruled out.
These are exacerbated in some underlying conditions.
The Psychiatrist has said -diagnosis is dementia.
There are a whole host of dementias - it's just the umbrella term!
A person who's:
1)exhibiting fluctuating cognition, (one minute/hour/day, they're absolutely 'normal', then other times, confused, fearful, anxious etc); and 2) experiencing hallucinations;
could have Lewy Body Disease and or Parkinson's.
Of the dementias, LBD people are more sensitive to a couple of classes of drugs!!!
So, for a number of reasons, you'll need to clarify which dementia he's suggesting...?
One of the best ways a Dr can help to make a LBD diagnosis, is to talk with the carer, and ask you lots!!
Additional early stage symptoms of Lewy Body presence:
*Loss of balance after standing, and subsequent falls (drops) to floor. Due to what's called Postural Hypotension.
*An intolerance to a crowd where often multiple conversations in play -- it's too much stimulus for them!!!
They often will 'rise to the occasion' whilst company present, but then, be totally exhausted and seem irrational.
*Paranoia.
UTIs, lung infections, plus others; constipation and pain can cause severe stress and hallucinations in LBD.
I hope this helps - please take care, there. I would not mention dementia to your mum at all at this stage. You are not wrong in not wanting her to know - you are protective through your loving.
If it is Lewy Body Disease - there is often not obvious dementia, till very late stages - if at all on occasion.
But there's tantrums and other. Talk about that later.
Best with those appontments!
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Grandma1954 Nov 2018
very well stated. LBD can be VERY tricky to medicate properly.
Suggested doctor would be a Neuropsychologist. They work with Neurologists to get a well rounded diagnosis and develop treatment plans.
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Dear Need Advice,
Yes, it is usual, customary, and reasonable (UCR) for the psychiatrist to have the patient brought in to be seen when you have questions or a change in medications is required. Especially at first.

People are different. Some do well with the facts, more information, and would normally seek that out. Others are content with less information, and can go through life not knowing. It could be your Mom is repeating the word crazy instead of really thinking she is crazy. Maybe you can gradually introduce another word to replace "crazy". For example: You are not crazy, you just had a "senior moment".

It must be confusing and painful for you to watch your mother decline in this way.
You are a good person to want to protect her.

Did she start any other new medications in the last 4-5 months?

Was she checked for a UTI at her regular physician's? In the elderly, a urinary tract infection does not bring the same symptoms, and a patient can have hallucinations with a UTI. Do not accept a dip stick urinalysis, get a more thorough testing. imo.

It is also common for physicians to think differently about the PRN (as needed) use of a medication, versus the regular dosing to build up the med to a therapeutic dose. Some psychiatrists are more familiar with "off label" uses that could possibly benefit the patient's needs. A lay person may describe this as "thinking outside of the box". These are all questions best asked of the psychiatrist, and a second opinion could help.
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Are all the hallucinations visual?

I feel a bit irresponsible asking questions like this actually - I'm not qualified and shouldn't meddle.

But I have to say that if I were you I'd have steam coming out of my ears by now. ALWAYS BE POLITE 😇 - of course! But it's quite possible to be perfectly polite and still take a cattle prod to your mother's doctors if need be.
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Tell me that the primary - seeing as the psych didn't bother - has at least checked for infections, done a full blood count, and considered a brain scan?

With the COPD and diabetes I appreciate that there's a lot going on. But *one* of these professionals needs to get a grip on the complete picture. Do you happen to know, can you find out, if there is a highly thought-of geriatrician in your area?
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So, the psychiatrist first prescribed this med "as needed" and when that didn't work, wants you to give it regularly. Are you doing that?

Psychiatric medication management on the elderly is often a trial and error procedure.

Call mom's pharmacist and get an explanation of how this drug works.

Did the psychiatrist order any imaging of mom's brain? Do any testing, like the draw a clock test or ask her to remember 3 words, ask her who was President, and if she knew where she was?
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clb2930 Nov 2018
They just told me to increase the dose today. Before we were just to give her the pill as needed. So we are starting that tonight. They have done no imaging, just the questions, remembering 5 words and there was one written “test” that I didn’t see. She did ask lots of questions to determine if she was depressed.
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Florida does have a subsidy program for family caregivers but it pays an average of $106 a month http://elderaffairs.state.fl.us/doea/hce.php
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What investigations has the geriatric psychiatrist done?

Is your mother's health otherwise pretty good? (making allowances for her being a 1926 vintage!)

As you say your mother is pretty sharp when not having a crisis, and she herself is seeking explanations for what is happening, then I personally feel that it is wrong not to discuss her condition with her. But at this point, depending on how reliable you think that diagnosis is, I don't think there's any need to drop the D word on her specifically. Ask her what she thinks, ask her about how she's feeling, reassure her that she and you and her doctors will get this figured out. But don't tell her any lies.

And tell that family member he's not too big to go over your knee and get spanked.
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clb2930 Nov 2018
Mom’s health isn’t great. She’s got fairly severe copd and her diabetes isn’t well controlled but we are working with her primary doctor on that. I don’t think she really knows anything is going on. She talks about things she’s hallucinated about after her episode is over like it was just something that happened and she’s fine with it. (the last one was someone made a huge mess in the kitchen). That’s why I’m not in favor of telling her. The psychiatrist did the memory test (which I flunked) and asked her some questions. No other diagnostics. Mom has no idea why she’s there or what she’s there for.
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Yes, that is exactly what she told us at each of the appointments we've been to. I wondered about that. I'll ask when we go to her appointment next week.
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I have never heard of using medications like this prn (as needed) as a long term strategy, it is my understanding that they must be taken daily in order to build up a therapeutic level in the body. Are you certain you are understanding the psychiatrist's instructions?
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