I spent about 1/2 hour doing searches for “Covid vaccine deaths”, “deaths caused by Covid vaccines”, etc.
I came up with two possibly vaccine related deaths in Norway, less than 10 in France, and no others.
No neonatal deaths, no permanent disabilities, no dead elders or fetuses.
The elderly have suffered the highest numbers of DEATHS per age group, but NOT deaths caused by the Covid vaccine.
The article about Israel was printed in Hebrew and I couldn’t find a translation.
I have the deepest respect for all of us who contribute here, but for each of us to make the best decisions for ourselves and our LOs, we must all rely on the best SCIENCE AT OUR DISPOSAL.
If ANYONE HAS SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT DEATHS CAUSED BY COVID VACCINE, please post.
As I said below, I would never try to convince someone to get the covid-19 vaccine. I would encourage them to visit the CDC site and the FDA site and research and have all the information they can get, then discuss with their own doctor, then make their own decision. As I guaranteed, I would push men woman and children out of my way to take this vaccine, and likely did that; my first shot went in on the 28th. I can't wait to get number two. But to convince another to do ANYTHING medically is to take their given rights out of their own hands and to say my own opinion/advice has more weight in their lives than their own. We must make our own decisions. For me that has ALWAYS been to protect myself as well as I can FROM others, and to do all I can not to get and spread this disease. Others will decided differently. When I felt at my most hopeless with hearing people were refusing vaccines I just told myself "Darwinian", and moved on. Try to give the facts. Let her make her own decision. Get vaccinated as soon as you can, so if she DOES get it, you do not. About all you can do.
Thank you Ann--'scary stories' abound, but the truth is, while most people react in some way to the vaccine, far more have died of COVID than getting the vax.
Many Sr Centers will not be allowing un-vaccinated Srs back into their places. My mom is afraid she will die (not of covid) but before she can get the shot before she can return to her beloved Sr Center. She goes 1-2 days a week and I know she'd do ANYTHING to make it be OK for her to go back.
don't make your mother get a vaccine my friend was perfectly healthy and after the vaccine my friend died not cause of covid but cause of the vaccine ;-(
Does she have good mental capacity? If yes, has she said she does not want one? Or has she told you why she doesn't want one? There is so much back and forth confusion on the news these days and attempts to discount the scientific community that reviews data/trials/studies, some of the hearsay can confuse people. Maybe you need her dr to talk to her about it.
Does she have major allergy reactions to vaccines/meds/etc? If so talk to her doctors to find out if they recommend the shot for her.
I would also suggest taking her to a medical facility to get it done --- If you have used email at dr's offices/hospitals in the past, it is highly likely you will get an email from one of them inviting her/you to get the vaccine. These places have been contacting previous patients because they already know they are in high risk group. If you go there, you would wait for a period of time to be sure there's no reaction and be close if she were to need help.
Thank you for all who gave me some helpful hints. My mother lives in an Assisted Living facility. I have 3 siblings who are anti-vaxxers that scared her the night prior to the vaccination without my knowledge (I am her Power of Attorney for all medical situations). On Saturday when her facility had the vaccinations my mother was the only resident that did not have it. Now she is in tears because she knows it was an unwise decision on her part to listen to their scare tactics. Her nurse told her she could have the first shot at the end of the month when the other residents get their 2nd shot. How sad for me to have siblings who would do this to my mother. Prayers needed as I go forward with her care.
So sad that anti-vaxxers out there who put their will on an older woman who lives in a facility. No thought, before scaring her, about how quickly that virus can make the rounds in a facility or group setting. And many (not all, but many) non-vaxxers are also non-maskers because they believe in conspiracy theories.
Wonder how they would feel if mom ended up getting a bad case of it when the severity may have been mitigated by a simple vaccine? I mean, the vaccine at least promotes antibodies to fight it if exposed. And depending on their ages, they were probably spared polio and smallpox (and a host of other diseases) because their bodies were inocculated. Anyone can have a reaction to any type of shot, but it is not common. They would probably have knee surgery if the knee wore out - and it's fairly high risk for issues. . . but people do it because they weigh the risk versus not being able to walk. Sorry they put mom through the scare.
Definitely NOT a conversation they should have had with her. If anything, they could have voiced concern w/you since you apparently assist her with decisions. At least you have her on track to get it for her again.
How old is your mom? My 90 YO mom said she didn;t want it as she never went anywhere really, and wanted her shot to go to front line worker like myself. She knew she would be more likely to get it from me than anyone else,, and she was ready to go. BTW.. COVID did not kill her,, CHF did..
Is your Mom of sound mind? What reasons does she give you that she doesn't wish to get the vaccine. To my own mind we cannot and likely we SHOULD not force others to get vaccinations. If your Mom has the facts, she should make her own decision, understanding it is her own life she is risking. See to it that you are vaccinated, and others in your family. God forbid your Mom be the first documented vaccine patient to die (it was just announced yesterday that there has been NO deaths from vaccination; somewhat a miracle to tell the truth. And Covid-19 in the elderly can be a death sentence. Tell your Mom you aren't ready to lose her, but that you understand she must make her own decisions. Give your Mom the facts. Let her make her own decision is she is of sound mind. We are all in charge of and responsible for our own medical decisions. Good luck.
Doe she live with you or alone? Is she in a NH of some kind? She may not 'get' a choice to not take it.
My MIL who NEVER leaves her home, refused it, and SIL told her if she wouldn't take it, then she, SIL was likely to bring it into MIL's home, and since only SIL is allowed to enter MIL's house, MIL would be out of luck for 2-3 weeks.
I don't know what the consensus was----Dh was upset with her for something else altogether and he said "You'd think with me being SO high risk, that she'd take the darn shot to protect ME on the off chance I HAVE to step back in!" She literally cares about no one but herself. DH said so much work was involved in getting a 90 yo woman to even GET the vaccine, she should be grateful for all the work SIL put in to getting it for her.
I know she's scheduled to have it on Wed., but the last I heard was that she was still refusing it. Probably due to the fact she actually has to leave the house for it.
I already know what your mom's dr would say: Get the vaccine.
I came up with two possibly vaccine related deaths in Norway, less than 10 in France, and no others.
No neonatal deaths, no permanent disabilities, no dead elders or fetuses.
The elderly have suffered the highest numbers of DEATHS per age group, but NOT deaths caused by the Covid vaccine.
The article about Israel was printed in Hebrew and I couldn’t find a translation.
I have the deepest respect for all of us who contribute here, but for each of us to make the best decisions for ourselves and our LOs, we must all rely on the best SCIENCE AT OUR DISPOSAL.
If ANYONE HAS SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT DEATHS
CAUSED BY COVID VACCINE, please post.
The odds are far greater against the person that doesn’t get the vaccine.
Science is absolutely amazing. I am so very grateful to the scientists who worked tirelessly on creating this vaccine.
As I guaranteed, I would push men woman and children out of my way to take this vaccine, and likely did that; my first shot went in on the 28th. I can't wait to get number two. But to convince another to do ANYTHING medically is to take their given rights out of their own hands and to say my own opinion/advice has more weight in their lives than their own. We must make our own decisions. For me that has ALWAYS been to protect myself as well as I can FROM others, and to do all I can not to get and spread this disease. Others will decided differently.
When I felt at my most hopeless with hearing people were refusing vaccines I just told myself "Darwinian", and moved on. Try to give the facts. Let her make her own decision. Get vaccinated as soon as you can, so if she DOES get it, you do not. About all you can do.
Many Sr Centers will not be allowing un-vaccinated Srs back into their places. My mom is afraid she will die (not of covid) but before she can get the shot before she can return to her beloved Sr Center. She goes 1-2 days a week and I know she'd do ANYTHING to make it be OK for her to go back.
Does she have major allergy reactions to vaccines/meds/etc? If so talk to her doctors to find out if they recommend the shot for her.
I would also suggest taking her to a medical facility to get it done --- If you have used email at dr's offices/hospitals in the past, it is highly likely you will get an email from one of them inviting her/you to get the vaccine. These places have been contacting previous patients because they already know they are in high risk group. If you go there, you would wait for a period of time to be sure there's no reaction and be close if she were to need help.
Wonder how they would feel if mom ended up getting a bad case of it when the severity may have been mitigated by a simple vaccine? I mean, the vaccine at least promotes antibodies to fight it if exposed. And depending on their ages, they were probably spared polio and smallpox (and a host of other diseases) because their bodies were inocculated. Anyone can have a reaction to any type of shot, but it is not common. They would probably have knee surgery if the knee wore out - and it's fairly high risk for issues. . . but people do it because they weigh the risk versus not being able to walk. Sorry they put mom through the scare.
Definitely NOT a conversation they should have had with her. If anything, they could have voiced concern w/you since you apparently assist her with decisions. At least you have her on track to get it for her again.
What is her aversion to receiving the vaccine?
Does she believe in extreme conspiracy theories?
You can only state your position to her. You can’t force her to receive the vaccine.
Do you know others who have received the vaccine that could speak to your mom about getting it as well?
Is she afraid of the side effects that some people get?
Tell her that not all people get these side effects and even if she does, it is better than getting COVID-19.
I’m in the third week of a COVID infection at 76.
Some led people survive it, some die.
NOBODY BENEFITS from suffering the illness, and NOBODY knows on the way in what the outcome will be.
Anyone who has access to the vaccine should take it.
What reasons does she give you that she doesn't wish to get the vaccine.
To my own mind we cannot and likely we SHOULD not force others to get vaccinations. If your Mom has the facts, she should make her own decision, understanding it is her own life she is risking. See to it that you are vaccinated, and others in your family. God forbid your Mom be the first documented vaccine patient to die (it was just announced yesterday that there has been NO deaths from vaccination; somewhat a miracle to tell the truth. And Covid-19 in the elderly can be a death sentence. Tell your Mom you aren't ready to lose her, but that you understand she must make her own decisions.
Give your Mom the facts. Let her make her own decision is she is of sound mind. We are all in charge of and responsible for our own medical decisions. Good luck.
My MIL who NEVER leaves her home, refused it, and SIL told her if she wouldn't take it, then she, SIL was likely to bring it into MIL's home, and since only SIL is allowed to enter MIL's house, MIL would be out of luck for 2-3 weeks.
I don't know what the consensus was----Dh was upset with her for something else altogether and he said "You'd think with me being SO high risk, that she'd take the darn shot to protect ME on the off chance I HAVE to step back in!" She literally cares about no one but herself. DH said so much work was involved in getting a 90 yo woman to even GET the vaccine, she should be grateful for all the work SIL put in to getting it for her.
I know she's scheduled to have it on Wed., but the last I heard was that she was still refusing it. Probably due to the fact she actually has to leave the house for it.
I already know what your mom's dr would say: Get the vaccine.
Is she hesitant to get it? What are her reasons?
What does her doctor think?