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New caretaker and first post. I so appreciate your thoughts and guidance on the below issue:


My mother was recently diagnosed with stage 4 cancer primary to right lung but with extensive metastases to liver and throughout her skeletal system (skull to hips). She has a malignant pleural effusion and severe bone pain which is so far uncontrolled. She has repeatedly stated that she wants hospice (which I support if she wants it), though she has an extremely promising bio-marker (PD-L1 @ 90%) which indicates that her cancer could be very responsive to Keytruda, an immunotherapy. Obviously I support this as well if that is the path she chooses.


Mom has been experiencing cognitive side effects from her pain meds which often leave her forgetful, repetitive, and contradictory in what she says, but she remains mostly adamant about wanting hospice.


A family friend has also been instrumental in assisting with caregiving and she is vociferously opposed to hospice, given the promise of the treatment. Her belief is that I need to be a bigger cheerleader for the treatment and to not acquiesce to her repeated requests for hospice.


The other day, I called her oncologist to express my concern for the severe confusion my mom has been experiencing. The doctor ordered an MRI of her brain to check for metastasis there, which I assumed the upcoming PET scan would show (apparently it doesn't). Getting her to agree to the MRI was difficult.


After significant difficulties getting her there (pain, anxiety), while in the waiting room, she told me she could not do the MRI and she wanted to go home and do hospice. I gently pushed back, reminding her that she had agreed to do this and that the doctor had wanted to get a picture of her head. She said some very hurtful things to (at) me and eventually I relented and brought her back out. I asked her friend to help calm her down, and she eventually did convince her to go in and do the MRI, with her friend there the whole time.


I later learned that my mom, in her agitation, told her friend untrue things including that I yelled at her, called her several names, etc. Her friend believed her and has proceeded to give me the cold shoulder. Needless to say, I was immensely surprised and hurt; both that my mom would say false things (which I had already mentally braced for, at some point), but gobsmacked that the friend believed her.


By the following evening, I told the friend that we needed to talk. My husband was next to me. The friend proceeded to lay into me with a 15 minute vicious vitriol about how I went around my mom's back by "asking" for the MRI, how the trauma of the MRI ruined any chance of mom acceding to therapy, how I needed to be a cheerleader and not acquiesce to hospice, about how much physical damage happened to her while in the MRI room with my mom to keep her calm. It was ugly.


She does care about my mom, and she does provide a lot of help that alleviates some pressure off of us. But this outburst to me, the way delivered, the falsehoods thrown at me, the medical nonsense she spouted, and then subsequently trying to demonize me to my stepdad and my mom's neighbor friends is difficult to bear.


I felt like caring for my mom was close to the limit of what I could handle, physically and emotionally, but not past my limit. This new stressor feels like a crushing burden and I feel like I have to walk on egg-shells to keep the peace and keep my sanity. I don't know that I have the strength to do this while another caretaker is seemingly out to paint me as some mal-intentioned negative-nancy debby-downer saboteur to anybody that will listen.


I don't know what to do?

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I am speaking as an RN here. Your mother is ready for hospice based on the state of her cancer. I believe the rest of her family is in "denial" and expecting that something like Keytruda will be a miracle cure. It will not, being that she already has metastases to her skeleton and liver. It would only buy her a little more time - like a few months. Why put her through more hell?

If your mother is adamant that she wants to be placed on hospice, then her wishes should be honored - despite what anyone else in the family prefers.
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Please honor your mother's wishes and inform her friend that is what you are doing. It is too late for Keytruda now. Her cancer has metastasized everywhere. Please don't prolong her pain. Please get her into the hospice and palliative. Follow her instructions. And stick to it, as she is actively dying now, and is likely to be in and out of confusion. Please ask hospice to relieve her pain, even should the administration of medication enough to stop pain does speed her death by some hours or days.
Your friend, her friend, is suffering, and well intentioned. BUT your mother has made her wishes known and you understand them. YOU are responsible now to follow her guidance. Tell the friend that gently and once. Whether she forgives you for not doing it HER way rather than your mother's is neither here nor there at this point. You, in my opinion, owe it to your mom. I promised my Dad I would stand between him and anyone who interfered with his wishes with a shotgun, and I would have done it if I had to. That's my opinion. If the doctors are being honest with you they will tell you it is too late for keytruda to do anything but give your mom a few more weeks of misery, if that.
As to the caregiver "painting you" as anything, then SHAME ON HER, and ignore her. Continue to fight for your Mom's protection. Taking her from hospice and into treatment is almost certainly a mistake; I think the suffering you would see as a result would make you wish you had not been guided by someone in deep denial to the reality that your Mom is actively dying now. Please discuss all this with hospice and let them intervene FOR you when necessary.
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I hope you have the medical power of attorney for your mom. With that in hand, you can tell the friend (kindly or not -- your choice) that it's time for her to step back and remove herself from your family matters.

Even if you don't have medical POA, this woman has grossly overstepped boundaries, and she needs to be told that either she supports your mother's decisions or be banished from contact with her.

Not to be the true Debbie Downer, but I can't imagine any therapy is going to be significantly helpful to someone with cancer throughout her body. It may buy her some time, but at what cost? Your mom has made her position clear. She will be getting weaker and less able to fend off pressure from the friend, and it's your job to help her choose the quality of life she desires.
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The MRI would have finalized Moms decision. It would have shown if the Cancer had spread to her brain. If so, definitely Chemo would not help. Alva is a nurse and I agree with her, Moms cancer has gone too far. Drs have to give you options. Even if Chemo brought her 6 months what would her quality of life be. My sister did 8 months of chemo for that one little cell. She was done in June and passed in October. She was treated for breast cancer but died from brain cancer. Would she have lived just as long without the chemo?

I agree with Alva. Mom's wishes need to be honored. She is tired and in pain. The medication is probably causing Dementia like symtoms. The chemo can cause problems too. Call her doctor and order hospice. Tell her friend that Chemo will not help now. Will just prolong the inevitable. She has to let Mom do what she needs to. I think we know when enough is enough. Let Mom have her rest. She is tired of fighting.
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I think when some people are that ill, they know they are dying. At least that was my experience with my sister. One of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do was push her wishes with some family members. May you have strength to honor your mom’s wishes and find peace that you are doing this out of love for her, even though it is so difficult. HUGS
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Keep your focus on your mother's wishes and know all the reactions from others will happen with or without you as the cause. Unfortunately, it will be directed at you. Emotional assaults pass in time. Wishing you strength.
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I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Such a sad time for you with your mother, you don’t need the added stress of accusations and being blamed for what most certainly is not your fault. Your mother’s friend seems to be both in denial and grieving in advance. I wouldn’t discuss any treatment or hospice plan with her again. Your mother has made her decision for hospice care, your job now is to honor that. I walked through hospice with my dad, it’s hard enough without interference from others. When this friend is around please decide to remove yourself from any conversation that blames or accuses you of anything. You don’t need to explain or justify at all. You’re honoring your mother’s wishes, your only goal. I wish you both peace
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Family friend should not be making any decisions. Your mother is the #1 person to make her wishes known. Your would be next in line. Family friend is at the bottom of the decision making list.
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Isthisrealyreal Jan 2021
Actually the husband is next in line, not children. Just FYI.
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Watching three members of my family die of metastatic cancer it is my strong belief that you need to honor your mother’s wish for hospice ASAP. The best gift you can give her is pain relief and peace from this horrible disease. Often times people (friends or family) who want “everything” done have some unresolved issues of their own such as guilt for something said or done or regrets. Be strong and give your Mom peace.
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Hospice isn't about dying but embracing whatever life there is in quality. It is not about 'giving up'. I had a dear friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and it spread to her liver. She had been undergoing therapy. Having been a hospice nurse, I suggested it. She said she was going to beat it and didn't need Hospice.

Gently, I said to her, wouldn't it be better to develop a relationship with a team of experts now should she have worsening symptoms than try to involve them during a panic situation. As I was out of the country at the time and unable to support her in person, I asked her if she would do one thing for me. Contact Hospice for an evaluation only. If she didn't want it, she didn't have to sign on.

She called, listened to them and signed up that day. That team not only was able to keep my dear friend home to die, but helped her husband with grief support for over a year after she died.

This friend may believe the misperception that many (unfortunately some doctors as well) that Hospice is about giving up. You do not need a doctor's order to ask for an evaluation. That is one of the responsibilities of the Hospice team. Their medical director will work with your mother's MD and what the qualifications are to be accepted.

YOU need the support of a team like Hospice, not the judgments of someone who believes they know the answers.

Godspeed
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