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(Sorry about the language, if that kind of stuff offends you) I want you guys to be blunt, okay. (Sorry if im being a d*ck here, i cant find anythong on what im trying to learn) No bulls**t about miracles, im an athiest, so thanks but no. Alright, so my grandpa has stage 4 lung cancer. He is refusing treatment of any kind, and if needed, a feeding tube. He is staring off into space, and is in extreme pain, and morphine isnt helping him. He was having horrible convulsions today. He was put into the hospital a month and a half ago, and diagnosed 1 month ago. He has lost 40 pounds since then. I cant find any information that is actually helpful. I want a general number. I know it is usually 2-4 months w/o treatment, and its already been 1. I dont think he has months off seeing him, but what do I know, im still in highschool.

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Rand, I think you've gotten your answer and no, you're not a d**k. I just am wondering if Hospice is involved and if they are addressing his pain.
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I'm very sorry to hear about your grandfather's diagnosis. I know its an extremely difficult time. Its hard to say and everyone is so different. Some people have a stronger will and others have given up. Stage 4 is very serious, I have known people last two weeks and others months.
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Thanks Katie. Its pretty much day to day, so its close.
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My friend was diagnosed in July last year and died 7 weeks later. Also no treatment. Sorry for what you and your grand pap are going through. My friend was 79. Very alert until a day before she died. She had lung , liver and bone cancer.  Primary site was lung.  She too had lost 30 to 40 pounds
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The hospice nurse told me this guideline

When the downward changes are apparent from one month to the next...the time left is months.

When those changes are apparent from one week to the next..the time remaining is weeks

But, when you see the noticeable changes happening from one day to the next...there is only days left.

That certainly applied to my Mom and my Dad
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