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This is a weird story and I apologise in advance. As I can’t talk to my siblings about issues regarding our father, I have the need to talk on this forum.
Ok here it is. We have 3 beautiful cats but one of them is my husband’s cat and is very much loved by him and me as he was an abused and terrified kitten whom we adopted from a local shelter. ( he is now 4 yo) Also we have our cats in 3 separate huge enclosures as we live on a very busy road and don’t want them getting run over.
My father has never agreed with this and has whinged and commented on it ever since we got the cats. but he was in the habit of leaving the front screen door open when he was still in his own home and this is how his kitten got hit by a car and killed. He asked to me two nights ago if he could open the cage of my husbands cat and get in there with him, because he felt sorry for it being in a cage all day. I told him absolutely not as the cat doesn’t know my father very well at all, and would run away in fright. Also we have two large dogs who although are in a separate part of our backyard, the cat is very frightened of dogs. My husband when he heard about this, was furious and said to me that he will tell my siblings find Dad somewhere else to live whether they like it or not, if my father goes near his cat’s enclosure and causes it to run away. That’s a scenario i really want to avoid, God Help us. So he has locked the main gate which is accessible to the backyard and hidden the key. The thing is. my dad will not even remember asking me or saying this, and I pointed this out to my husband. I’m sorry about the the long winded drama but if I tell my dad why the gate is locked, it will lead to an argument and I can’t deal with that at the moment. I’m trying my best to keep the peace, but it’s not easy.

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I am going to say something on behalf of the original poster.

When we are overwhelmed and at the end of our rope, it is easy to take comments as personal attacks. I personally have seen it and my 1st post felt like old posters were attacking me. I was frazzled, in a situation that I didn't know a single thing about, I didn't know where to begin, my nerves were totally frayed. Some posters intented to be rude, hurtful and nasty, I wasn't in a place that I could understand they were hurting too. It took me a long time to stop slapping back when I was attacked or felt attacked. Remembering how very hard this journey is behooves all of us.

I think we have ALL been there, whether we acknowledge that or not, let's try to remember that many come here because they have no place else to turn and they are barely treading water, in a situation that nobody is prepared for the 1st time.

angryannie/chickasmum4 we are all trying our best and our personal convictions and personalities come out on this forum, remember, we all are or have dealt with a loved one going through end of life sickness, mental illness and everything, I don't think anyone has tried to intentionally hurt you. You are actually pretty blessed, your loved one can still be left alone. Many here don't have that luxury.
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Annie, I feel for you; I really do.

What do you understand about dementia and its effects on thinking and reasoning? At least with my mom (she had Vascular Dementia), her reasoning ability was completely gone. We had to speak in simple declarative sentences, no allusions, no sarcasm. She took almost everything quite literally, the way my 5 yo granddaughter does. (What size are your shoes, Pickles? The same size as my feet, Nona).

You and your DH appear to be at the end of your rope. You told us a few weeks ago that you and DH had spoken to dad and told him the time was coming for placement. Have you looked at any long term care facilities?
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You can explain until you are blue in the face and it will be for naught.
Your dad has dementia.
Keep the gate locked.
Keep the cats safe.
Actually locking the gate may also keep your dad safe, if he can't wander off all the better.
If there is any other way for the cats or dogs to get out of the yard lock those areas as well.
This sounds like early stages and this will get worse and you also need to prepare for that.
You can not explain
You can not expect he will remember what you say.
Remember your family comes first and getting help is important.
If there is a Day Program near you get him involved with that.
If he is able to do some tasks give him something to do, it will keep him occupied and give him something to focus on. But do not expect it to be done or done the way you want it done.
If he is a Veteran the VA may be of help. Contact your local Veterans Assistance Commission their service is free and they can help determine if he qualifies for benefits. It might be a little it might be a LOT
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Itrr, yes confusing.

Angryannie, most of us on this forum have been together for a long time and have learned how to get along together. If we have a problem with each other, we take it off the forum and pm each other. We have some people who say it like it is. You are on a forum which most are from the US and others from other countries. Its a you have to take the good with the bad kind of thing.

You are dealing with someone in the first stages of a Dementia. First thing to go is short-term memory. So Dad is not going to remember what he has been told from day to day, hour by hour, minute by minute. His ability to reason is gone. So don't try to explain things to him. His brain no longer processes quick enough to follow what you are saying. He will get self-centered. Show no appreciation of what you do for him. Its nerve racking.

Your were still practically a newlywed when Dad came to stay, Why, if there were other children did you take on this responsibility. Dad will get worse and to be honest, he should not be left alone. Dementia is very unpredictable. You never know what they will do next. To be honest, I think Dad, if he has the money, should be placed in an Assisted Living or Memory care. LTC with Medicaid if he has no money. Better you do this now, then when he worsens. He IS going to need care beyond what you can give him.
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I have seen many cat condos that are amazing, I hope your cats are fortunate to have one. My 88 yo dad with early dementia lives with me as well. We have 5 dogs and 4 in/out cats. Growing up he never liked any of our animals!! Today these little dogs are his everything, they provide him company, love and loyalty. Would it be possible to give him an animal of his owe to care for. I understand the problem with the screen but I sure there is some kind of solution for that; perhaps one of those split doors where the bottom can stay shut and the top open for air🤷🏽‍♀️. Hurt my heart when you called your dad stupid, I’m sure he’s not! We will all be in his situation at one point in our life. Hopefully your siblings are part of your support system. Wishing you and your family the best.
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Okay, I'm confused. angryannie asked a question and now chickasmum4 is responding.

Are you the same person posting under 2 accounts?
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lealonnie1 Jun 2022
chickasmum4 & angryannie have the same info in their profile, so yes, it would appear they're the same OP posting under 2 different accounts.
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Hi AngryAnnie:
I have read through the responses, and I see that you have been angered by some. Try to remember that none of us have any idea the size of the cat enclosures, or anything. That you have chosen for yourself the name AngryAnnie indicates that this may be a response you can may have either easily or with some regularity?
I think I am not overly worried about what you do about this issue with cats enclosures and such (primarily because I think you indicate Dad forgets quickly, and it may already be a moot issue for him) but I do worry overall about the stress Dad is adding to your household.
I am wondering if your marriage and family life is being changed with the presence of your Dad in your household, and if you have discussed with your hubby what options you might need to consider for the future?
You have a plate full of issues with cats, dogs, and an elder with dementia. I am basically going to just wish you good luck, whatever decision you come to. As you can see, we don't have many ideas.
Meanwhile you can dream about a shelter I recently supporting in building a cat-io. They already had a small house donated to them, and they put a well screened patio across the entire back of the place full of cat trees, cat houses and cat toys. It's just great and the cats can watch the birds in the trees in backyard. It is large enough that it's a very peaceable kingdom, and has one of those locks you need a code for.
I wish you luck.
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Heres what I got from the post and our posters replies. The cats are outside in an enclosure. What we would refer to in the USA as a catio. Nothing wrong with that at all.

The cats cannot be inside when OP and hubby are not at home because dad with dementia will leave front door open and cats will be roaming street if door is left open. They are being good caretakers of their animals to protect them.

The issue is dad and his dementia. How long is OP willing to give up her life and her families life for her father? This is the same father that berated OP to stop going to the gym.

I really think you need to find another place for dad to live that is not in your house. Then you, your husband and cats can get your lives and house back.
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chickasmum4 Jun 2022
Thankyou for your kind answer. It is much appreciated. Yours is one of the few helpful answers that I’ve got in reply to my problem. I didn’t write my
post to get attacked by a couple of the members of this forum. If they answer my posts with aggressive replies, I’m going to reply in kind.
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If the road you live on is so busy and dangerous, why do you keep pets? You're calling other people on this thread stupid, but seriously. Do smart people keep pets in places where their safety is so compromised by traffic that they have to be kept in cages?
Animals are not supposed to live in cages. Your father feels sorry for the kitten and doesn't want to leave it alone in a cage. You can call the cages "enclosures" but a cage is a cage.
Clearly, if you claim to be walking on eggshells around your father, which I really don't believe based on your post, you should not have a person with dementia living at your house. You say you can't be honest with your father and talk to him. Try being honest with yourself first. You and your husband do not want your father living with you.
It's okay to not want an elderly person with dementia who needs care living in your house. A married couple should not have to share their home with anyone other than their children if they have them. Children as in kids, not adults who can look after themselves but don't. It's also okay to say 'NO' to moving an elder into your home.
I've recently reconciled with my ex-husband and we will remarry at some point. I told him that I will not live with or marry him without a special legally-binding contract made up by a lawyer. This contract will state that there will be no elderly family members (from his side or mine) needing care living in our home. Neither one of us will relocate and reside in a elderly relative's home to provide caregiving to them. Also, no family members other than our son will be living in our house and that is contingent on certain terms and conditions. Both of us have had too many years of our lives ruined by being caregivers elderly relatives.
Make another living arrangement for your father. This will be the best for all of you.
Please though, make your husband knock off the knit-picky, passive/aggressive behavior of locking your father out of the backyard though because he's worried that the cats will escape from their cages. The fact that you and your husband keep your cats in cages says a lot about the two of you. Find your father a senior community he can move to. From your responses here, you seem like a very angry person. Find your father a senior community. All of you will be a lot happier if you do.
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sp19690 Jun 2022
The dad has dementia and if it wadnt for dad leaving front door open the litten would not be in his catio when OP and husband are not at home.

OP needs to keep her cats and get rid of dad. Obviously his living there is not working out. How long will it take for OP to admit this and move him out of her house is up to her.
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Angry, thank you for your message.
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Angry,
You should check into counseling for yourself. You are obviously very stressed and angry with caring for dad. Do you lock dad in his room at night with his dvd's too? Sounds like another arrangement would be best for dad.

Best wishes finding a suitable situation.
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chickasmum4 Jun 2022
Yes I do and I go and poke sticks at him too while he’s asleep. Hey maybe we can attend the same anger management course.
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Cat enclosures can be big or small, and can be linked to the house. Large linked enclosures are probably more common in Oz because of the risk to wildlife, often where birds are encouraged in the back yard. There is a road sign ‘A cat’s place is in the home’, pushing the same line.

You can see some by Googling ‘cat enclosures Australia images’.
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JoAnn29 Jun 2022
Those are neat. I have had cats but live in a development so never worried about them outside. Being fixed, they only go so far. My last one was a house cat. I have seen them where you leave a window open and they can come and go.
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I get the feeling you cannot have an honest talk to Dad about much at all.

Like you are always walking on eggshells around him?
Is this because Dad has actual memory/dementia/behaviour issues? Or his personality - he gets angry & yells (or worse?).

Can you relax in your own space? With your pets? Either in the yard or inside your home?
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angryannie Jun 2022
My relationship with my father was pretty good growing up but now with dementia behaviour it is like walking on eggshells. I’ve got to be careful what I say to him. Eg if he says something that annoys or angers me, It’s like I’m not allowed to react. Therefore I have to limit my interaction with him.
The cat usually spends the evening in the house when my father goes to his room and watches a dvd. This is my husbands and my down time.
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So... the gate is locked to make sure your father can't get into the backyard, that's where the enclosures are, and you're concerned that your father will try to get into the backyard and will be frustrated that he can't?

When you told your father that he must not go into the adopted cat's enclosure, did your father accept that or did he try to get in anyway?

One solution that would allow your father into the backyard but prevent him accessing the cats might be to put combination padlocks on the doors to each enclosure. That way your father can still access the backyard and interact with any cats who volunteer, but he won't be able to open the enclosures.

I agree with ITRR that it's best to feign ignorance and avoid any discussions that require your father to recollect previous conversations.

I must say I agree with Glad and your father too in questioning keeping domestic cats isolated in enclosures, but they're your cats and you know them best.
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gladimhere Jun 2022
CM, you are so nice to call the cages, enclosures. What kind of cats are we talking about?

Especially the adopted/abused cat. Isn't caging them abuse too?

I can see keeping cats indoors all the time, but caging them? No, and possibly illegal. Wonder what you would learn it you called your local animal rights group of it dad did.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-cruel-to-keep-a-cat-in-a-cage-outside-24-7-My-neighbor-is-doing-this-The-cage-is-about-4-long-2-wide-and-2-1-2-high-It-has-food-water-a-litter-box-and-a-bed-Ive-offered-to-buy-the-cat-but-he-wont-sell-or-give
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I would feel bad for the cats too! They are caged all day?
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angryannie Jun 2022
You’re another one who doesn’t care if cats get run over. You’re as stupid as my father. We don’t want to be cruel but we can’t keep them in the house during the day because the idiot leaves the front door open. Can you possibly grasp that concept and get off your high moral ground? There’s people like you on every forum.
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Why tell him anything. If he brings it up, you say something like, oh, it's lock? Don't know why. Then move on.

I don't blame your husband for having no more patience for dads actions and words. He has been a saint so far.
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angryannie Jun 2022
Thank you. He is beyond that.
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