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My sister is approaching 82, widowed, independent, and refuses to discuss personal details. She has a seriously bad knee and has cancelled her surgery. She lives alone in Alabama. No other family resides there with her. Her memory is going faster than we would like. She lives alone with no friends or social outlets. She paid a deposit for an independent living apartment several months ago but keeps changing her mind about moving. She refuses in home care of any type. It has taken several verbal confrontations by me and her son to get her to finally agree to move to independent living where she is offered more protection and still she balks. She needs to go to the doctor but she refuses. She lies, makes excuses, forgets, etc. And to top it off, as the youngest sister, she doesn't want to listen to me or share any aspects of her life. She thinks I'm being too nosey when I ask about personal affairs. I am her closest relative but in a different state. So how do you convince a seriously stubborn person to get help? I'm at my wits end.

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You don't. You don't convince anyone to do anything, and if you have lived a relatively long life you understand that.
This isn't your responsibility unless you CHOOSE to take it on. And if you do that it is important to understand that no one will thank you, and everyone will remind you endlessly that this is your choice.

If you are truly concerned for your loved one call APS. Let them know at the get-go that you cannot be responsible. And step away.
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Leave her alone. She has the right to refuse, so let her refuse. What are you saving her for? The next health issue? Does she need to finish her research and cure cancer? Is she going to run for President? Is she getting married? Got a bright future a head of her?
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If she is not able to mansge meds or medical needs, she is ready fo MC and not IL
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You can't make anyone do anything they don't want.
You are being too nosey. She doesn't want you to make decisions about her life.
Let go. Yes, she may die all alone in her own home. That is her choice.

If her son wants to pursue guardianship, or medical POA, let him. That, too, is not your problem to resolve.

Call her occasionally and just ask her how she's doing. Let her do all the talking. Do not try and badger her or convince her to do something she doesn't want to do. Just listen and talk as sisters. Let her know you care about her before you hang up.
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I have a 35 yr old nephew with physical disabilities from birth. He lives on his own with some overseeing by me and a coordinator. The problem, he is 300#. He has a stationary bike and a reg one for people his weight. These bikes were bought for him so he would get out and exercise. I got him a rollator with a seat so he could go for walks and when he tired he could sit down. Has he used them, no. His doctors, his coordinator and I have told him he needs to move, does he, no. He has been told that his health problems are because of his weight. I used to let this upset me at 76 I just can't let it anymore. Its his life. He knows the consequences. Just like your sister. If she still has her mind, she knows the consquences if she does not care for herself.
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Bug out! She doesn't want your help and thinks she doesn't need it. Time will prove otherwise. Talk with her less often. Don't get involved between her and her son - that's their business. In other words, look after yourself and refuse to be involved in discussing her situation with her even if she changes course and seems to want you involved.

She has dementia. What you've described are signs that she has it. Her brain is broken. Trying to reason with a broken brain is pointless. Accept that you're at your wits' end before you fall off the edge of that end. She's her son's problem now! (Poor guy.)
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I am being blunt but honest.

Free yourself of this need to get through to her and free yourself NOW. She has giving you enough indication of stubborn behavior for you to continue to try. I know you are concerned but you are not responsible for her life. Consider yourself lucky that she doesn't want or insist on your help. DO NOT come to her aid either. You can still have contact, visit and enjoy the superficial conversations. But when you feel that you have the need to give life or medical advice bit your tongue.

It is difficult but if you want any relationship with her that is what is necessary. Best of luck.
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To be honest, you never EVER convince a seriously stubborn person to do anything whatsoever. A lifetime should have informed you of this.

This is now in the hands of her son. If he is POA he will have to work with your Sister's doctor to get her help when/if it is required. If not, he will need to contact APS and ask for guidance at the point he believes your sister is unsafe.

Do remember, your sister has been in charge of her own life for an entire lifetime. Asking her to give up all control over that isn't really reasonable. The question now is one of competency and safety. That is for her immediate family, her son, to assess. Whether sister now dies in her own home, or in a nursing home may not be the most important issue here. I understand that family itself would be relieved of worry were sister in placement, but sister herself may spend her last weeks and months in misery, so there is a lot at stake here.

I would step back and let your sister's son handle things. Best of luck to you all.
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The first thing you do is stop arguing with her, it’s getting you nowhere and only frustrating you both. Your choices are to lie or wait. Lying means you set up a doctor appointment, go pick her up telling whatever lie might work “I’m taking you out for lunch” “let’s go shopping for a new ______” and then drive to the appointment, hoping she’ll get out of the car once she sees where you are. You let the doctor know what symptoms you’re seeing in advance via letter or patient portal. The wait option, which always works, and one many of us have experienced, is waiting for an event to happen that forces change. Waiting it out is no fun, but it comes and then she’ll be forced to act. For my dad it was a fall where his life alert was on the charger and he spent overnight and most of a day on the floor unable to get up. It could have been far worse but it allowed us to make changes he finally agreed with. You can call adult protective services in her county and get her on their radar, but don’t be shocked if they don’t act, the bar for seeming okay on your own is pretty low in their eyes. Something will change here, I hope you’ll be ready to help then and in the meantime decide to just be a caring sister. I wish you both peace
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You can't
You won't
You don't.
You wait.
You wait until you get a call from a neighbor, a police officer or the hospital telling you that your sister is in the hospital or has died from an injury or "natural causes".

Unfortunately it is only after a catastrophic accident that a person or sometimes the family realizes that they should have been more proactive.

I do hope that she has your contact information listed as her emergency contact and "next of kin"
If she is not capable of making decisions as to her care are you aware of her wishes? If not this might be a way to get her to talk about things. Tell her that you need to know what her wishes are just incase you do get that phone call. It may not get her to change but it will allow you to make the decisions that she would want.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.....
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If there is no use in trying to talk her into it, you have to use legal help or protective services. Those are your only options. Talk to an elder law lawyer in Alabama about getting Guardianship or Conservatorship, which is the only way to legally make sure she gets the care she needs.
You could also call the Adult Protective Services(APS) in her country or the local police for a safety check, making sure to mention the memory loss and bad knee to start an official review.
Maybe try to have her son book an appointment and tell her it's just a necessary check on her knee, and reframe that doctor's visit into a full health check. But that works only if she doesn't ignore that appointment, too.
I hope I helped
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First of all, let her cancel the IL apartment. By what you describe, if she really does have dementia and memory impairment, she will need AL or MC -- unless you wish to orbit around her in IL as she needs more and more help.

Next, to have more chance of success in getting her to agree to things, you must stop any sort of "confrontations" with her -- this only gets people with dementia defensive and worked up: their brains are broken and they are losing their ability to use reason and logic, their loss of memory is probably freaking them out, they are inwardly scared and confused, and they are less able to feel empathy for others because dementia is also robbing them of this. She is not "lying", she is covering up the fact that she can't remember. It's the disease talking, so keep reminding yourself of this.

You can attempt to acknowledge her struggles and try telling her that going to the doctor may result in an "easy" treatment so that she can function better at home. If she doesn't want to do the treatment, she doesn't have to. If she agrees to go, you discretely pass a note to the doc or staff telling them who you are, and the cognitive and memory concerns you have for your sister and to please check her for a UTI, which can be treated with antibiotics. If your sister has a UTI, this may improve some of her memory and behavioral issues.

If you are not her PoA (or she doesn't have one at all ) then the only power you have is to either report her to APS as a vulnerable adult or you call 911 and tell them you think she has an undiagnosed UTI and is refusing treatment. Don't tell them anything about dementia since this is not considered a medical emergency and they will tell you to call APS.

If the EMTs are able to get her to the ER, you talk to the discharge planner and let them know she is an "unsafe discharge" and to not release her back home because she refuses care and lives alone. Then you ask to talk to the hospital social worker about whether they can move her directly into a facility. Do not agree to take her home and make sure no other relative, neighbor or friend goes to retrieve her. She is an "unsafe discharge" -- keep repeating that to the discharge planner and social worker. Do not tell them you've been caring for her: she is refusing care, period.

If they want to send her to rehab, this will only work if she's cooperative. And even if she is, this is not the same as a skilled nursing facility so family will need to closely oversee her care, nutrition and hygiene when she's there.

You will need to decide how much orbiting around your sister you are willing to do on an ongoing basis. Other family will need to make this decision for themselves, too. She will continue to decline and require more and more hands-on care, or maybe she has the money to agree to pay for in-home aids.

I wish you success in helping her get appropriate care.
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