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I am 57, my mother is borderline, vulnerable narcissist 80 with Parkinson’s. She lives with my quadriplegic 46 year old sister.
They overspend, make bad decisions and me moving 3 hours to their town only separated me from my support system, my doctors, my friends and all the places I love. They do like to isolate you with them.

They have no one bc they drive everyone away by running them into the ground with serious boundary issues. Then blame caregivers for what they do.

The only thing I did coming here is add me to the equation. Instead of me pulling them out, they are pulling me under. And being that personality type they feel entitled to do it.

Good luck in that difficult decision
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Hi. It amazes me how many people deal with similar situations. I appreciate reading your dilemma in the way that it also helps me to see mine from another perspective. We are similar in the way that 1) our parents were not there for us as children and their actions created hardship. 2) Our elderly parents need support. 3) We are in the phase of life where it is now or never to do the things we want to do while we are able, and to set up what we want our own elder years to look like.

I really respect that you have made boundaries for yourself with how often you contact them, and with hiring support. You have already set a precedent for their care by acting as manager with check ins. This inspires me as it seems to be win-win. They get support and you maintain your life.

It's almost like coming to a turn-style on our path. We can consciously move through and carry on down the path that we are on, or we can stop and turn around.

Turning around means changing your own life course to care for theirs. Moving through means continuing to build on the life you have created for yourself and continuing to build on the support system you have created for your folks.

This is where I am too. I feel guilt and fear of blame or shame for not meeting an ideal of familial dedication. These feelings can be paralyzing.

Perhaps these angels that we can hire to support our elders are also our angels. They are there to help those of us who have survived childhood abuse and neglect so we don't have to go back.

I wish you and all of us who are in this situation the strength and courage we need so we may do what is truly best for everyone.
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So much of what you wrote could apply to me...from being the only child to having a mother who was completely narcissistic. I won't go into all the details of my past. Let's just start when mother was 64yo she moved to be closer to me- in another state, leaving behind all her friends. Every neighborhood/ community she moved to, she alienated those around her due to her personality and traits, leaving me to deal/help with her. As she aged, it became more demanding, more time consuming, more emotionally draining for me (and of course, nothing I ever did was ever right!). I always lived about 30-50 minutes away from her - close enough to be there when 'needed' (although our relationship was the best when we lived thousands of miles apart...)

As she aged, she refused to move to AL and as such, lived in her own townhome until a few months before she passed away at the age of 95. Because I was nearby, she wasn't agreeable to "outside" help no matter who I hired. I did, though, hire a geriatric care manager. They were a lifesaver for me (mother would call them instead of me, they would help deal with her problems and issues) but unfortunately, in the area I live, they were incredibly expensive for her/our budget. So, it went back on me.

There were times I wanted to move to another state- a warmer state because of my medical conditions. I weighed that decision carefully because I knew that mother would have ongoing problems and issues I would have to deal with, and living further away from her, whether in state or out of state, would put a big burden on me - time, travel, cost wise - in dealing with things. I chose to remain close by, even though it created a lot more trauma for me - in the long run - less hassles for me. Just imagine if I moved out of state, and every time she had a problem, I would have to fly back, stay at a hotel, rent a car, etc etc. Some would say - live your own life, she created her own life 'mess'...but being the only child, and one who does have a compassionate heart, I couldn't just walk away. Also, when you get that call at 11:30pm on Sunday night - whether from your parents, or the EMT's or whoever, how close do you want to be to go deal with things?

I never thought I would become my parents parent, but when you are the only child, unfortunately, that does land on one's shoulders. You have to make decisions for not only you, but for them as well. Decisions that, when you look back, will you be at peace with them?
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dseag2 Oct 2021
Thank you for your post. I can so relate to your situation. I'm an only child as well (male, no less) and my father left their home of 40 years to move close to me. He passed away 4 years later and I have been taking care of my mother now for 21 years. Like your mother, she alienated her neighbors and was always dependent. She never worked so she never understood the demands on those of us who do. She continues until to this day to expect other people to make decisions and take care of her. When she was living on her own, I had in-home caregivers visit and she would turn them away. It has been exhausting at times.

I guess I was lucky in that she never fought me over their estate and just expected me to make the financial decisions. She was happy to move to another state because I moved there and she had no choice. She was happy to move to AL because I insisted. I have basically overseen her finances, life and happiness for 21 years. She is now near the end of her life and I have no regrets. I've made decisions that have kept her comfortable.

As you said, as only children we have no choice but to take care of our parents. Whether we feel it is fair or not, we have obligations. But we need to make decisions that ensure we still have a balance in our own lives.
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I just wanted to say that I really feel for you - I am in the exact same situation as you are in terms of everything you described...it's uncanny. Your description of your mother and your father's personality and all that you've described - how they raised you, treated you....and where they currently are in life - it's been my experience as well and I am currently living it. It's really unnerving.

It seems that you're getting a lot of great feedback from others on this site - which I'm going to read for my own situation as well. The only opinion I can really give is I would suggest living where you want to live - which is 3 hours away from them - it's still reasonably close enough, yet you're still able to be where you want to be. And in time, you may want to increase the in-home assistance for your parents and just keep assessing the situation as time goes on regarding what's needed.

Wishing you all the very best ~
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What I am reading between the lines is that this was not a good, loving relationship with your parents and it does not seem to be so now. There are obvious problems between the two of them and I don't think either one wants to face reality and cooperate with what may take place down the road - and I see you have tried in every way to do the right thing. My first question is this - why do you feel obligated to do anything given the history? Why are you willing to risk YOUR life and welfare to take care of two people who obviously don't care and won't work with you. Why? Is it guilt? You sure do NOT deserve to feel guilty. I would talk to an eldercare attorney and ask for input on how to handle this if they don't cooperate and also talk with Social Services professionals. Please DO NOT MOVE WHERE THEY ARE AND DO NOT LET THEM INTO YOUR HOME. God help you if you do. There are solutions but in cases like this, I think it is better to face the facts, think of YOU first, and do what you can to make some kind of preparations for them when the shit hits the fan - but that should NOT be your worry based on the past history.
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I think it's better to keep your distance but check up on them to make sure they're okay and make other arrangements should you have to.
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"I want to be close enough so I am within driving distance from them".

Beethoven13, can I ask why?

"For you own convenience" to avoid the long flights/drives you already said. OK.

But will the convenience of Sunday visits in person, rather than a phone call be worth the inconvenience of moving your whole life to this smaller town?

"but I certainly dont want to live with them". 

Sounds wise. Big potential to be sucked into the vortex of their daily life (like 100 %).

Will living in a separate home, in the same town protect you from the vortex?

"I can't seem to make a decision and I think this dilemma is at the root of my indecision".

You know.. I think this being a bit stuck is meant to be - for now - because you are not ready to choose.

The indecisiveness may not be a hindrance - maybe it is actually protecting you!

Coz right now you are not drowning - so no need to quickly grasp onto any passing boat. Just continue to float along. See what other thoughts & feelings arrise.
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Katefalc Oct 2021
Great advice !!
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You deserve to be happy. As I tell my own kids, take care of you and your own little family and go where you WANT to be. Your parents had their life and did what they wanted . The future will work it’s own way out. They still have EACH OTHER. They need to figure it out like we all do. Good luck 💜
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Beethoven13: I had to live out of state to care for my late mother in her home. It was very difficult.
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You are still young and should think about and plan for what you want for your own life and future, as well as your responsibilties to your parents. Will you be working? Your responsibility to them is to make sure that they are cared for and age with dignity, but you don't have to be the one to do the day-to-day caregiving. They can have aides come in as much as needed, or can move to assisted living (those are their basic choices). Plan for a time when they'll need more care than one person can provide. It's important that your parents have all of their paperwork in order with powers of attorney for medical and financial matters, living wills with their medical directives, a will if they have assets (it sounds like they do), most financial institutions have their own POA forms (banks, credit card companies, etc.), and you need to be on file with Medicare and Social Security to be able to speak on their behalf. This can be done with a phone call with them sitting next to you to agree that you are the one to speak for them. I'm assuming that you are the POA. If not, it will be the POA(s) that will make decisions for them if they become unable to make their own decisions. If it comes to a point where one or both of them have to move to assisted living, it will be easier if they move close to you.
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Move where you wish to move. I would make it clear to your parents that you are going to be living where you wish to live, that they need to make arrangements for themselves when it is time to do so. This is the last best time of your life when you are free, functioning on your own to build solid community, to travel, and etc. I had the most wonderful parents in the world. They moved first to an elder community, into a duplex, then as they needed it to more care gradually. I never lived in the same state they lived in. If I didn't move to the same state they were in for the best parents in the world I would certainly not do it for parents that (for whatever human limitations) were NOT very good parents.
Living close will pull in any vulnerability that still remains (we can get excellent help from therapy, but our inner child remains within, and vulnerable throughout life) and may cause you great misery, and need for boundaries and therapy to maintain them.
Go. Make a life. Be frank with your parents that they must make plans. Do not agree to be POA for them; encourage them to hire a financial fiduciary for bill paying when needed.
Your choice will be your own. It is unlikely to delay your life more than a decade. But at that point you will be 65, the time when we tend not to make a lot of changes, when we tend to pull back from travel and risk and so on unless we have excellent support systems emotionally, a partner; or unless we are financially very well fixed.
I know you have access to therapist and encourage you to discuss with him or her, your best guide. That person knows you, your history. You can consider also consulting a Social Worker trained specifically in life transitions to work a path toward this with discussion with your parents. And how to discuss. Never descending into argument helps. Just saying what your plans are; and offering to make them as comfortable as you are able to with those plans.
I have two children. They neither live in my own state. Though I love them very much I will not be moving to their States. Nor they to mine. And this has been discussed for many years (I am 80.)
I wish you the best. Good luck with your decisions.
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I hear this question over and over again. If there was a toxic relationship and it is still not good, I don't care what the relationship is or was - you have NO obligations. If people do not love and respect one another, why on earth are they in your lives. Commitments and honoring etc. flies out the window when there is no bond or love - do not fall victim to that trap. Do what you can but take care of YOU first - you owe that to yourself. People do things and say things and you are just supposed to ignore that? No way, what you sow is what you reap and if you don't do this the right way from the beginning, I say they are on their own and have to live with what they did - not your problem.
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Beethoven13 Jan 2022
Thanks for the very helpful reply. My mother will use triangulation with a family member who lives nearby to try to make me feel guilty for not being there. I don't know if the family member has any real bad intent but she doesn't communicate much with me and its mostly pleasantries. I have tried to talk to her about the difficulties with my parents privately on a few occasions but she doesn't seem to understand. I told her once that my mother makes her good cop and I am bad cop and she said, I'm sorry, I didn't know that was happening. I have kept a pleasant relationship with her so I am not completely on the outs with her. My father recently made a hint of not leaving me their home after they are gone because he didn't know if I wanted it, since I don't want to live there now, with them. They have substantial assets. I sometimes wonder about family members helping them because they also know about the assets. I have had some very frank discussions with my parents about inheritance and wills and as far as I know, it is all going to me as only child. I do wonder because they won't provide much reassurance or speak about it in a calm and loving way. Its more of, it'll be yours when I'm dead, sort of thing. Nothing else to say. I'm sensitive that this reminds them of their very real mortality and that is not pleasant. So, thats as far as it gets discussed. Curious comments in the last month have been: Father made a point of saying: don't buy us anything else for x holiday. I had given them each a small gift and spent 2 weeks with them cooking, spending time, decorated their home for the holiday, got some necessary repairs done. (I wondered if they didn't want to feel guilty?) He said, I just can't do this paperwork anymore. I asked, what type of help do you need and I will try to get it for you? No answer. Implied, I just want you to worry and be here, but I still want to control it all. I have bluntly asked about accounts and amounts and he has shown me the balances and my name is on all the accounts. All accounts are in all 3 names. All that I know about, at least. He won't give me the reassurance that I don't need to worry or I can count on it now, as I make big decisions. I often hear, "who else would I leave it to?" as the answer to my question. I do not have financial difficulties. They do not provide me any financial support for over 25 years. I have bought and sold my own homes and vehicles and pay for all the necessary things. Father has purchased things for me in my 20's and paid for my education and I have always expressed thanks and made it known that he did those things. The more the money thing comes up now, years later, the more I feel guilty for asking about it and the less transparent they both seem. They do say, do what you want, choose what makes you happy, but there is a track record of if you don't figure out what I really want you to do and do it, you will pay. Either emotional withdrawal, isolation, removal of support. From the stories I have heard, both of their parents did this to them. its just toxic and superficially "nice' if I try really hard. But we are late in the 8th inning and I am not prepared to walk away completely for several reasons.
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My answer-move them close enough that you can be there to deal with a true emergency but not so close that every day there is an emergency that requires your in-person attention.
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Most emergencies can be handled by phone in the immediate need.
So if you live 3 to 4 hours away that would be far enough that they can not depend on you for day to day things but close enough that if need be you can authorize treatment and then get to them if the emergency requires it.
You can assess how they are doing, also be in contact with the caregiver. If at anytime you see or the caregiver feels that they need more help than 3 hours 3 times a week then the time and number of days could be increased.
If they are not going to discuss the future all you can do is wait. It might be that they will be fine. Or something will happen that will force them to make a decision. This is up to them.
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