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I am awe struck with how you ladies say what I am thinking. each word, I can relate to. I wake up each night overcome with anguish. I pull myself out of it by thinking of my son and husband. I am able to go back to sleep with calmer, contented thoughts. But under lying those thoughts are : You have failed. You have not helped them, they are still unhappy. You do not deserve your loving little family.

I wish I could have thoses thoughts purged from my subconscious. I worry that reading the book will bring them up front and center. But I too went 'ding-ding-ding' on the check list.
I realize that we have a sisterhood of misery, and I Am glad that I have found people who 'Know." I do not have to explain anything. You all are telling me how strong I am, ha, you ladies blow me out of the water. I Take strength from your words, and each night The flood of thoughts is less. The emotions are less severe. I hear reruns of the screaming and instead of wanting to roll over and cry, I just shake my head and think what a miserable life they made for themselves. I pity them. I did not do that to them. I is not my fault. Children were not designed to rear their parents.
There is the safety of not being able to get to meet you. My little secret is out, but in safe hands. To be able to have someone to share these things with is so nice. It is something that I do not have to explain. I was going to say that you can not imagine the relief that gives me, but you do. You must. We have shared the same foot steps.
S.Sister, I know what you mean, it feels uncomfortable blaming my parents for my twitchiness. It is my life now. I have tried my entire life to pull away. Their dementia has really helped me do that. When they no longer recognize me, I'll be my own person. The person that I really want to be. And it will be so much easier to help them then.
I hope that you find what you need Neon. I really hope this helps you. You seem just fine to me. But i guess we are all like those chocolates in the fancy boxes. Together and flawless on the outside, a gooie mess with nuts on the inside. Maybe we are stronger for what we have gone through. But I examine my life and realize that even though I am openly amired by friends...I just do not get too close to any one of them. (because then they'll find out what a gooie nut job mess I am.) I won't be rejected if I never get too close. I have never had an argument with a friend, because I would never be honest enough to disagree. I just fade away.
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Neon, you mentioned asking questions and getting answers before your dad died. All of the health care providers have insisted that I tell my parents what I need them to hear NOW.
The only point I can get out of that is they are losing their mental ability to understand quicker than I realize. I do not know if they think my parents need to hear words of love, or if the health care people know that I am bottling up a bazillion questions of 'why.'
I do not need the answers like I used to . I know 'why' now. They were not whole people. They were nuts. That's a good enough answer for me. Did getting answers help you feel better, or did it make you feel worse? I got to ask my mom a slew of questions, and the only answer that I got that ringed true was, "I just never occured to me." Maybe there is an emotional dyslexia? I mean I have trouble with symbols, perhaps she has trouble understanding emotion. Maybe she never said, 'I love you,' not because she didn't, but because she didn't understand what it meant? Maybe her entire life with my father was such a bizarre roller coaster of confusing words and actions, that nothing was emotinal to her.
aah,.. too... hard. makes...brain...hurt.
let us know how you are today. I will be thinking of you.
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Yes, the answers from my dad were very helpful and I feel no animosity towards him whatsoever I stood by him when he took his last breathe. Within the fifteen minutes I realized he was leaving I cried I am not a crier something I was told made a person week, I called him daddy haven't called him daddy in 44 years. He tried to reach for my hand I took it I wiped my tears with his hands and just kept telling him I love you Daddy I figured he needed to hear that before he left. It brought closure for me I try getting close to my mother as she lives with me she wants no part of it. So the relationship I had with Dad the last 6 months of his life helped me tremendously you see all my life I was trying to get validation from both my parents he gave me validation she is still holding out.
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You have such insight gvergrl! I love your posts. I think you're stronger than you realize, because every time you write, you sound better all the time. So, KEEP WRITING!!!!!

I love your box of chocolates analogy. How perfectly fitting! You have a wonderful way with words. I love gooey messes, cuz I is one, LOL. And it's OK. Because sometimes I have really good and healthy days, too. Sometimes I think we're all a little nuts, and I have come to love each and every nutty friend, including myself. I see you as soft and squishy, and more healthy than you realize, and I want to have you in my box any day, because you are so sweet! I think we play musical chocolate wrappers, because at any moment of the day, we can change from coconutty, to a little nougat. I especially love the jellies!!!!!!! :) Sometimes I feel like I have punched in centers, and sometimes broken edges, but as with any box of chocolate, those taste just as good as the so-called "perfect ones." I think perfection is overrated, and highly unattainable, so lets all "melt together," and try to find a "good recipe" for getting through the rough spots. Sometimes we feel overcooked, and sometimes left on the shelf to gather dust. But every once in awhile, someone wants us for a special occasion or gift. Then we feel like blue ribbon material. Thanks for being in the chocolate box with all us nuts. I am so glad you're here!

And I want you to know that you can disagree with me anytime you want. It's OK. I valued other's opinions, and often learn something from them. I sure don't have all the answers, and gain my strength from each and every post. Gvergrl, you have the right to your own thoughts, feelings, and opinions. And if they differ from mine, that is perfectly legitimate. That doesn't make you or me right or wrong, just different. Wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same? I like boat rockers, so go for it. We don't have to argue, but we can politely disagree. Except in one area. I like you, no matter how you feel inside. Glad you have found a safe place to vent. You just keep writing, because you have been a huge help to me. Thank you. From one candy lover to another :) Take care!
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I am hoping that I can just let go of the need for validation. If I get it, wonderful, but meanwhile... it does me no good hoping for it.
I am glad you had closure. He surely needed what you gave him.
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Neon, you shine, lady! What a precious story about your last moments with your daddy. Thank you for sharing it.

I think we all want similar things: love from a nurturing mother, who helps us find our best potential. Instead, sometimes, we end up pitying our mom's. They may have failed us, but can't give away what they don't have. A healthy mommy wouldn't act that way. So we try to limp along, and find love where we can. Sometimes we look in the wrong places, and suffer the consequences. But we still love our mother, no matter how strained the relationship. We love our daddy, too. Humans are imperfect, and we don't always know the reason why things are the way they are. Life is sometimes a mystery.
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Maybe we should give ourselves a name...like the 'goo goo cluster club' or something... chocolate covered caramel nut jobs. mmm.. yum. (And I love the jellies too!!!)
You are right. Any candy looks good.
And so far, I have to say, I have not disagreed with anything any of you have posted. Sometimes, I have to read it several times and in different moods, but eventually I can understand most perspectives, even greenbean's. And you are right, this is helping me. It is like group thearapy but without the price tag.

My husband just came back from fixing my father's water works (while he is away at the doc's,) and he said that my brother called the care giver and told her that he thinks she is doing a great job, and that he appreciates everything that she has been doing. W-O-W. Is life just one big misunderstanding? words are not taken as they are meant to be taken? Or, as my husband says, maybe he is just growing up.
Friends brought by a freezor full of food, a relative sent a box of clothes... I feel like crying. None of it was asked for, they just all thought of us in their bounty. With in three days I feel a sigh of relief. You all are dears and i am so happy to be here with you.
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Girls, I see you running over the same old ground of why...there is no answer. I was hoping by posting articles it would help you see as it did me there is no answer to the question. Our folks were hard wired into being the way they were at an early age at childhood. We are their victims, at least as children, they train us to be frightened of them so we obey their every whim. The trick now is to let that go and go on with our lives. Try to do the best we can for them and ourselves at the same time.

The book "If You Had Controlling Parents" does mention in it that much of it IS HARD TO READ. You may have to read it, get angry and then re-read it and then understand. It may take a couple of days for what you have read to sink in. At least it was that way for me, because yes some of it is hard to understand and except that this happened to you from a clinical perspective.

I am glad Neon that you got some closure (and glad you joined this post), it seems that your father came to 'so to speak' his emotional senses at the end of his life. Then there's the other perspective that they do not, such as your mother is doing, but she may in the end, you have to wait and see. Fingers crossed!

My mother could never admit fault, only rarely could I press a point so much that she would admit it, but she rarely does. Even if I tell her she's taken her meds out of sequence she denies that even though I push the medicine boxes towards her as proof. I have given up so to speak with that arguement. I have also read that folks with NPD almost act with the emotions of a "6 year-old", they act out and always want their way, so you may want to think of it with that respect. I will see if I can find an article that may help soothe your hearts.
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Well, girls I just came from my appt with therapist. I gave him a lot of old background history and some current history. He said that is was really good to be on this site. He said I am doing a lot of things right, the thing I (we) have to work on is disassociating ourselves from that parent. We can be there help them but disassociating is what we will be working on for the next five sessions. He asked me how I prioritize the family, I said my husband, son, mother, mentor child, sunday school kids not necessarily in that order with the last three and anyone who happens to have a tradgedy in their life and he said you forgot one person yep me. so thats who we will be fixing me but I do things for me to that are good he was telling me about one of his patients that came in on their birthday and he asked them what they were going to be doing that day and they went on about this and that and he said and what are you doing for yourself and the person was speechless, Well I'm ahead of the game I guess 2 years ago I bought me a car so I feel much better that I am on the right track and I want to thank alot of you for your posts as they help me to get on track or stay on track. Yes she is never going to change and I am not plugging in to her anymore. I do internalize a lot of stress which he will be helping me to do first clue exercise, take a walk ride a bike play volley ball and break a finger ??LOL he also said a sense of humor helps think I have that covered to He also said my father being controlling and a alcoholic a child may take on some of those characteristics interesting he should say that I always emulated myself after my father if I had to choose a parent. He wasn't home as much most of the time so guess thats why I picked him. Kick butt and ask for names later thats what I used to be I have controlled my hellious temper down probably 85 %. Well thats about it Mother can do as she pleases which is what has been happening and when she brings up moving and stuff I'm just going to say yes and go about my business tomorrow it will be over. and forget it will keep you all posted. So come on everybody put yourself on your list (for real) and make it a point to take care of you and #2 learn to disassociate yourself from the personality. Its like a lamp. Unplug the lamp the outlet is still there the electricity is still there (the parent) but the lamp is not "burning" You. plug it back in and it lights up. Good analogy.
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Good for you Neon..bravo! It will work out better if you get your self in order first, otherwise, who would do it if you got sick?

Pedicures and Manicures and Massages are all good girly things to unwind easily and cheaply. Buy a new shade of sexy lipstick, buy a sexy red dress. Buy the ingredients to that recipe you always wanted to try. Go spend a night at a hotel by yourself or with hubby for a quick and cheap getaway. Rent that movie you never got to see. Make yourself a picnic lunch and grab some music and go to the park and have a picnic. Go for a ride on the swings like you did as a kid........

Here is an article from Pyschology Today about Forgiving. It is a deep and heavy read.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199907/must-you-forgive
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Neon, Way to go. Put yourself at the top of your list. If you do, others will too. Glad you are getting some good advice from your therapist. Keep us informed and keep writing.
Linda
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gvergrl, Goo Club has possibilities. Sometimes my mind feels like mush, so it fits. How about a Girly Goo Convention? I'm booking my reservations; looking to meet you there.

Thanks for sharing, Neon. You go! Yeah. You time. I love it. Me time, too.

Piratess, don't be discouraged. We're listening. Sometimes we just need to vent. You ever talk outloud your problems till you find your own answer? We just need to hear ourselves talk some times. Cuz no one listens but each of those dear people here. I loved the book you posted. Still reading, in between laundry, directing my nine year old, trips to the nursing home, bank, and PO. And keeping up with dear friends around the Goo campfire. Now, I'll go check out your forgiveness post. Thank you much for sharing. How much do we owe you? LOL
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I just want to share stuff that I find, to help all of us grow. Devouring every decent blog and post (the reall stuff - not fluff from mamby pamby internet psych's.) about NPD has really helped me understand why my parents were they way they were. I could never understand it. If only I knew about NPD when I was 20! It made me feel a lot better that others where out there with the same type of parents, believe me, I felt so alone about this for years. No one would seem to understand what I was going through, they were always making excuses for them, which I understand as well - due to their own childhood trauma, but that does not dismiss that I was not going through what normal healthy loving touchy feely households were going through.

For those of you who are Christian (or others )
http://www.luke173ministries.org/templates/System/default.asp?id=39548

LUKE 17:3 Ministries
for adult daughters
of controlling or abusive birth-families
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I would like to weigh in on the validation issue from the male perspective. For most of my life I thought my father was mean, self-centered, and had little respect for me--his only child and first born son. As I got older and learned more about my father's sordid upbringing, I came to realize that he had done the best he could with what he had. He also made it possible for me to do much better. In the end, I think he was seeking my validation of him. Since I had no clue how to do that, I just listened to him and tried not to pass judgment. He passed on about 2 years ago following a 3 month bout with heart problems. I am at peace now and I believe he is too. But I still harbor hopes of having a had a better yesterday. And I work every day to leave my children and grandchildren a better legacy
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ez...That's the best you can do now....is be the best for your children and grandchildren. I used to say " I will never do that to my kids " but alas never had any. But my doggie sure had it good when she was still with me, she was like my fuzzy kid.

In the book " If You Had Controlling Parents ", it goes through the facts that most parents who are like this had childhood trauma, such as the Depression, World War, losses in childhood of a family member either by death or divorce or abandonment, or their own parents who deprived them of love (so the trend can pass through many generations, if one does not stop it by realization and psychologically strong enough - some go on to be NPD's as well)
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Thanks for weighing in, ezcare. What a good ending to your struggles with your Dad. You were able to give him the compassion he needed, despite your upbringing. Thank you for sharing your story.

Piratess, thank you so very much for the Christian link. That is a beautiful site, and I will be spending much time there. That was very thoughtful of you to post it, and it looks like some healing to be had from some of their material. Thanks for looking out for us, and sharing some of the research listings you think would minister to us. How very kind of you! We could call you "helping sister." Thank you.

I'm thinking Goo Club sounds beneath us. How about something more mature? As we are growing by leaps and bounds with all this information and nurturing. Maybe we can be the Caregivers Comfort Club (CCC) or something. Don't forget the chocolate!

This sounds like a pretty good day for many here. So nice to be a part of something so vibrant and alive. Just to know we're not alone, and someone cares is something we didn't always have growing up. It's nice to learn there's people who understand our struggles, and are willing to walk along the path with us, and help us when we're down. I am so grateful for all of you. Thank you.
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Ezcare,
Some where between having my child and bringing him home form the hospital was the awful realization that i had not a single clue how to be a mother. I wasn't going to do it their way. It didn't seem fair to the little guy, but what else did I know? I might be messing him up just as badly, but I know it will at least be with words of praise and love in his ears. I gave him everything 'I' needed so badly. I held him. I talked to him. I looked him in the eyes and marveled at him. I played on the floor and put all of my chores behind me. Guess what, there is still laundry,maybe even some of the same laundry, but my little baby is a young man. I squeezed as much joy out of that kid as is humanly possible.
Your dad did not have the tools to work with either, and maybe you were a better father for knowing you needed to go get some parenting tools.
I know full well that life could have been much worse. But when you stand across the street from my childhood family now and look at the mess, It is still tragic. Why did I learn from my up bringing and he did not learn from his? Maybe each generation is better than the last, but maybe we are mending by taking it out on the key board and not on our children. If you feel mentally healthy, and you are contented with your life, and the dreams do not eat you alive, thank God for that. maybe if your dad had had a goo club he wouldn't have been so mean. I guess we all just want to be understood. I need validation so much less today than i did three days ago. I think i can let the need for parental love and acceptance go. As my husband pointed out, it isn't like they withheld it just from me. They gave it to no one, not even each other. It feels like a book on the shelf now, not even as real . But, the next phone call cursing us to China and back will be tha acid test. If the heart doesn't race and the hands don't shake and I can just think to myself, 'poor ill person,' then I will know I am done with it.
My best wishes to you.
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As I mentioned before it is def. their beginnings which make them the way they are. It is your 'rebellious' heart that knew it was wrong and to break free and be different. I can tell you that in some extreme cases the children came out to be the same way, it depends on the makeup of the person if they can fight back or not. If not they end up an abuser (learned no empathy) or an empty shell of a person that cannot have relationships of any kind they are so frightened and distraught on the inside.
There was a young girl crying out for help on another website I had visited...I was the only one that was trying to help her in depth because I knew full well of what she was going through. She sounded like a little lost kitten feeling she had no strength to combat them and their controlling ways. This gal is only 20. I told her to get all the education she can and get a good job and leave them behind her. If she does not get away she will be more and more sucked in. I hope she is doing okay because her posts stopped. She felt like checking herself into the hospital she was in such a frazzled state.
I am so happy to hear that folks here love their children immensely. I know I yearned for love so much when I was a child, but I thought that would come by 'Prince Charming'...well he never came...LOL! But I know how to love and be a loving person. I hope one day to foster a child or adopt an older child...I sure would love to teach a child all the things I know from cooking to crafting to gardening to science and education. But most of all being there when someone needs it. My mom would put housework before playing with me...hence....she never hardly played with me. I learned to play by myself or the other kids on the street. It did teach me to be an independent person, because that's all I had.
I remember when I started to go to Jr. College and I wanted to take 'guitar' -heck I was going to buy the guitar myself...my mother berated me and said 'what you are going to take guitar at this age", she made me feel so small that I never took it. In Jr. College I did finally take all the art classes I could. My father would not let me take any in high-school..TAKE TYPING......ART IS NOT A JOB....when I was a small child that is what I wanted to be when I grew up - an Artist. He crapped all over that - so I never got to fullfill my dreams - he shattered them. I had always been very artistic and crafty and still to this day my arts and crafts are still very alive in me, but I wish I had a job related field of something creative to this day. Perhaps when I retire my second job will be in the Art world of some sort. I realized in my mid-20's that I would have loved to gone into Advertising and Design - that may have happened if I had supportive/loving parents.
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Piratess,
Have you ever prayed for something with the grounded knowlege that it was hopeless, but, what do you have to lose?
I think you are a very healthy path to what I have been needing. God works in mysterious ways. I have read both the sites you sent us to. I will be digging deeper into the Luke 17 one.
Thank you. You don't seem like a pie rat at all.
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Dear gvergrl and tess, it sounds so good to hear your cross talk, and to read your hopes and dreams, and even the dashed ones. I did finally do what I thought I wanted, (taking and 8 year detour, then finishing interior design school in 15). Wow, was I disappointed when I did. But I got 4.0's doing it! What an acheivement for someone who never had a goal before. And along the way, I learned a lot, and encountered many things, and some heartaches. I did work in my field some, but left it for something better - mommy hood. It was the best thing that every happened to me, and to my husband, too. We were old, and almost too old. Hubby calls me "mommy better late than never." I almost missed it, because I was afraid to mess up the next generation. Instead, God gave us a smart, happy, healthy, creative, resourceful, and wonderful gift. We didn't mess him up, and I am getting freer every day. Hubby is a gift as well. I am just grateful that I can be thankful.

Nope. She does not seem like a pie rat. I agree. You, gvergrl, have a sense of humor. Take care, all.
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Arrrrr me hearties, I am however, a Pirate at heart. Gotta have that strength and hutspah to get through this lifetime. To keep going and to see it to the end of the good fight with endurance, with the cutlass of hope by my side.

I am glad that I started this posting on this website, this is the most responses I have ever gotten on this type of subject anywhere, and I hope I have helped you all.

Peace and good night....sailing westward bound!
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Piratess, no stealing the treasures, OK? Just a kidding.

I toss and turn a lot at night. My mind won't let me rest. Much to do, and much at stake. And today's a follow up with the Geriatric Assessment Clinic, who originally recently diagnosed my mom's personality disorder. While I'm grateful for this, as I've been searching for help, it has opened up new concerns, etc. I've been reviewing the past, it's impact on me, and wondering where to go from here.

It seems, as Guardian, I've taken on a huge responsibility, for which I am little prepared. As much as I'd like to believe I'm doing well, I'm starting to see some areas where I have "unfinished business," and probably need some help navigating through the rough waters.

With mom's complaints and accusations against me, I'm on the defensive, and that is not a comfortable position. I'm praying that others can see the big picture, and guide us.

Last night, I realized, again, that my son is losing out by his distracted mommy. Sometimes I've seen my husband be distracted, and not paying attention to him as well. Having mom as my legal ward is much more difficult that I could have imagined. I am praying that someone can help us assess these difficulties, and offer solutions. Today, my mind is going in several different directions, and looking for relief. I desperately need to find peace from the turmoil, and a place of strength. I don't want to live from the angry, "brave girl," "I-can-get-through this-no-matter-what" position, but from a quite assurance that all will be well. It's not at present, and I don't know how to get there. The struggle is very tiring. Why does it seem at times like mom's disease is winning?

My only other sibling lives nine hours away. Yesterday, she suggested I spend time with mom, watching a movie, and building bridges. She won't even let mom come to her house, saying she'll have a headache that day. She keeps sending fluffy cards to the one who once abused her unmercifully. The last time sis saw mom, was to pack and move her up here from mom's home, 200 miles away. Mom hit her in the face, knocking off her glasses. That girl wants me to build bridges with a mom who enlisting others to file charges against me for so-called "abuse." I find much wrong with this picture.

We have transport taking mom to this nearby city for her appointment today. It's a strange feeling to relegate her to others, like I'm rejecting her. In a way, I am, due to her ill treatment of me. It's for my emotional protection, as well.

With mom's diagnosis, and the realization of how it has and will impact me, and with dad in a nursing home with Alzheimer's accousting every female he can, I am feeling incredible sadness and grief. I miss my quiet little life with my husband and son, in my quiet little town. Now I have to face the consequences of moving my parents here, out of concern, and losing my quiet life in the process. I feel like I'm in prison, waiting for the inevitable.
I long to regain the quiet and peace I once took for granted.
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Dear Piratris, you cannot change your mother but yoiu can change you put your husbaND FIRST YOUR SON SECOND YOU THIRD AND YOUR MOTHER NEXT, TRY TO STEP BACK AND i KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS i AM GOING TO SENDD YOU A LINK WHICH WAS MY REALIZATION AND DECIDED TO GO TO THERAPY FOR A WHILE TO TAKE CARE OF ME, DO NOT PLUG YOURSELF INTO YOUR MOTHERS EMOTIONS OR TIRADES THATS EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTS IF SHE WANTS TO FEEL SORRY FOR HERSELF LET HER. iF SHE THINKS YOU HAVE ABUSED HER THAN PERHAPS YOU MIGHT PACK HER UP AND TAKE HER TO YOUR FLUFFY SISTERS HOUSE LOCK STOCK AND BARRELL AND DON'T LOOK BACK. FUNNY HOW THEY NEVER MAKE CARDS THAT SAY WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE SAID PERHAPS THATS A VENTURE FOR ME TO TAKE. ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE OF THIS MY SIBLINGS DON'T WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY EITHER AND I CAN'T BLAME THEM. I JUST CHOSE TO DO IT BECAUSE SOME ONE HAD TO. MY MOTHER WILL TALK ABOUT FRIENDS SHE HAD 75 YEARS AGO BUT WILL NOT EVEN TRY TO MAKE FRIENDS NOW SO YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW THEY SAY. I KILL MINE WITH KINDNESS ASS IT WERE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INTERFER WITH MY HUSBAND SON, CHURCH WORK MENOTRING AND ANYTHING ELSE I WANT TO DO, SHE STAYS IN HER ROOM LIKE A HERMIT. I'VE TRIED TO GET HER TO TAKE SOME ANTI DEPRESSION MEDS BUT SHE WON'T SHE IS ONE OF THEM THAT GOES TO THE DOC AND THEN COME HOME AND TELLS ME HOW SHE IS GING TO DO THINGS I TELL HER IF YOU KNOW MORE THAN HE DOES THAN WHY BOTHER TO GO. THIS WAS A EYE OPENER FOR ME AND I HOPE IT HELPS YOU YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OH MY GOODNESS MOMENTS BUT I AM 60 AND I FINALLY KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ALL MY LIFE WOW! CAN'T PASTE THE LINK I HOPE THIS ISN'T TOO LONG
The Destructive Narcissistic Parent creates a child that only exists to be an extension of her self. It's about secret things. It's about body language. It's about disapproving glances. It's about vocal tone. It's very intimate. And it's very powerful. It's part of who the child is.


-Chris



Characteristics of Narcissistic Mothers



1. Everything she does is deniable. There is always a facile excuse or an explanation. Cruelties are couched in loving terms. Aggressive and hostile acts are paraded as thoughtfulness. Selfish manipulations are presented as gifts. Criticism and slander is slyly disguised as concern. She only wants what is best for you. She only wants to help you.



She rarely says right out that she thinks you’re inadequate. Instead, any time that you tell her you’ve done something good, she counters with something your sibling did that was better or she simply ignores you or she hears you out without saying anything, then in a short time does something cruel to you so you understand not to get above yourself. She will carefully separate cause (your joy in your accomplishment) from effect (refusing to let you borrow the car to go to the awards ceremony) by enough time that someone who didn’t live through her abuse would never believe the connection.



Many of her putdowns are simply by comparison. She’ll talk about how wonderful someone else is or what a wonderful job they did on something you’ve also done or how highly she thinks of them. The contrast is left up to you. She has let you know that you’re no good without saying a word. She’ll spoil your pleasure in something by simply congratulating you for it in an angry, envious voice that conveys how unhappy she is, again, completely deniably. It is impossible to confront someone over their tone of voice, their demeanor or they way they look at you, but once your narcissistic mother has you trained, she can promise terrible punishment without a word. As a result, you’re always afraid, always in the wrong, and can never exactly put your finger on why.



Because her abusiveness is part of a lifelong campaign of control and because she is careful to rationalize her abuse, it is extremely difficult to explain to other people what is so bad about her. She’s also careful about when and how she engages in her abuses. She’s very secretive, a characteristic of almost all abusers (“Don’t wash our dirty laundry in public!”) and will punish you for telling anyone else what she’s done. The times and locations of her worst abuses are carefully chosen so that no one who might intervene will hear or see her bad behavior, and she will seem like a completely different person in public. She’ll slam you to other people, but will always embed her devaluing nuggets of snide gossip in protestations of concern, love and understanding (“I feel so sorry for poor Cynthia. She always seems to have such a hard time, but I just don’t know what I can do for her!”) As a consequence the children of narcissists universally report that no one believes them (“I have to tell you that she always talks about YOU in the most caring way!). Unfortunately therapists, given the deniable actions of the narcissist and eager to defend a fellow parent, will often jump to the narcissist’s defense as well, reinforcing your sense of isolation and helplessness (“I’m sure she didn’t mean it like that!”)



2. She violates your boundaries. You feel like an extension of her. Your property is given away without your consent, sometimes in front of you. Your food is eaten off your plate or given to others off your plate. Your property may be repossessed and no reason given other than that it was never yours. Your time is committed without consulting you, and opinions purported to be yours are expressed for you. (She LOVES going to the fair! He would never want anything like that. She wouldn’t like kumquats.) You are discussed in your presence as though you are not there. She keeps tabs on your bodily functions and humiliates you by divulging the information she gleans, especially when it can be used to demonstrate her devotion and highlight her martyrdom to your needs (“Mike had that problem with frequent urination too, only his was much worse. I was so worried about him!”) You have never known what it is like to have privacy in the bathroom or in your bedroom, and she goes through your things regularly. She asks nosy questions, snoops into your email/letters/diary/conversations. She will want to dig into your feelings, particularly painful ones and is always looking for negative information on you which can be used against you. She does things against your expressed wishes frequently. All of this is done without seeming embarrassment or thought.



Any attempt at autonomy on your part is strongly resisted. Normal rites of passage (learning to shave, wearing makeup, dating) are grudgingly allowed only if you insist, and you’re punished for your insistence (“Since you’re old enough to date, I think you’re old enough to pay for your own clothes!”) If you demand age-appropriate clothing, grooming, control over your own life, or rights, you are difficult and she ridicules your “independence.”



3. She favoritizes. Narcissistic mothers commonly choose one (sometimes more) child to be the golden child and one (sometimes more) to be the scapegoat. The narcissist identifies with the golden child and provides privileges to him or her as long as the golden child does just as she wants. The golden child has to be cared for assiduously by everyone in the family. The scapegoat has no needs and instead gets to do the caring. The golden child can do nothing wrong. The scapegoat is always at fault. This creates divisions between the children, one of whom has a large investment in the mother being wise and wonderful, and the other(s) who hate her. That division will be fostered by the narcissist with lies and with blatantly unfair and favoritizing behavior. The golden child will defend the mother and indirectly perpetuate the abuse by finding reasons to blame the scapegoat for the mother’s actions. The golden child may also directly take on the narcissistic mother’s tasks by physically abusing the scapegoat so the narcissistic mother doesn’t have to do that herself.



4. She undermines. Your accomplishments are acknowledged only to the extent that she can take credit for them. Any success or accomplishment for which she cannot take credit is ignored or diminished. Any time you are to be center stage and there is no opportunity for her to be the center of attention, she will try to prevent the occasion altogether, or she doesn’t come, or she leaves early, or she acts like it’s no big deal, or she steals the spotlight or she slips in little wounding comments about how much better someone else did or how what you did wasn’t as much as you could have done or as you think it is. She undermines you by picking fights with you or being especially unpleasant just before you have to make a major effort. She acts put out if she has to do anything to support your opportunities or will outright refuse to do even small things in support of you. She will be nasty to you about things that are peripherally connected with your successes so that you find your joy in what you’ve done is tarnished, without her ever saying anything directly about it. No matter what your success, she has to take you down a peg about it.



5. She demeans, criticizes and denigrates. She lets you know in all sorts of little ways that she thinks less of you than she does of your siblings or of other people in general. If you complain about mistreatment by someone else, she will take that person’s side even if she doesn’t know them at all. She doesn’t care about those people or the justice of your complaints. She just wants to let you know that you’re never right.



She will deliver generalized barbs that are almost impossible to rebut (always in a loving, caring tone): “You were always difficult” “You can be very difficult to love” “You never seemed to be able to finish anything” “You were very hard to live with” “You’re always causing trouble” “No one could put up with the things you do.” She will deliver slams in a sidelong way - for example she’ll complain about how “no one” loves her, does anything for her, or cares about her, or she’ll complain that “everyone” is so selfish, when you’re the only person in the room. As always, this combines criticism with deniability.



She will slip little comments into conversation that she really enjoyed something she did with someone else - something she did with you too, but didn’t like as much. She’ll let you know that her relationship with some other person you both know is wonderful in a way your relationship with her isn’t - the carefully unspoken message being that you don’t matter much to her.



She minimizes, discounts or ignores your opinions and experiences. Your insights are met with condescension, denials and accusations (“I think you read too much!”) and she will brush off your information even on subjects on which you are an acknowledged expert. Whatever you say is met with smirks and amused sounding or exaggerated exclamations (“Uh hunh!” “You don’t say!” “Really!”). She’ll then make it clear that she didn’t listen to a word you said.



6. She makes you look crazy. If you try to confront her about something she’s done, she’ll tell you that you have “a very vivid imagination” (this is a phrase commonly used by abusers of all sorts to invalidate your experience of their abuse) that you don’t know what you’re talking about, or that she has no idea what you’re talking about. She will claim not to remember even very memorable events, flatly denying they ever happened, nor will she ever acknowledge any possibility that she might have forgotten. This is an extremely aggressive and exceptionally infuriating tactic called “gaslighting,” common to abusers of all kinds. Your perceptions of reality are continually undermined so that you end up without any confidence in your intuition, your memory or your powers of reasoning. This makes you a much better victim for the abuser.



Narcissists gaslight routinely. The narcissist will either insinuate or will tell you outright that you’re unstable, otherwise you wouldn’t believe such ridiculous things or be so uncooperative. You’re oversensitive. You’re imagining things. You’re hysterical. You’re completely unreasonable. You’re over-reacting, like you always do. She’ll talk to you when you’ve calmed down and aren’t so irrational. She may even characterize you as being neurotic or psychotic.



Once she’s constructed these fantasies of your emotional pathologies, she’ll tell others about them, as always, presenting her smears as expressions of concern and declaring her own helpless victimhood. She didn’t do anything. She has no idea why you’re so irrationally angry with her. You’ve hurt her terribly. She thinks you may need psychotherapy. She loves you very much and would do anything to make you happy, but she just doesn’t know what to do. You keep pushing her away when all she wants to do is help you.



She has simultaneously absolved herself of any responsibility for your obvious antipathy towards her, implied that it’s something fundamentally wrong with you that makes you angry with her, and undermined your credibility with her listeners. She plays the role of the doting mother so perfectly that no one will believe you.



7. She’s envious. Any time you get something nice she’s angry and envious and her envy will be apparent when she admires whatever it is. She’ll try to get it from you, spoil it for you, or get the same or better for herself. She’s always working on ways to get what other people have. The envy of narcissistic mothers often includes competing sexually with their daughters or daughters-in-law. They’ll attempt to forbid their daughters to wear makeup, to groom themselves in an age-appropriate way or to date. They will criticize the appearance of their daughters and daughters-in-law. This envy extends to relationships. Narcissistic mothers infamously attempt to damage their children’s marriages and interfere in the upbringing of their grandchildren.



8. She’s a liar in too many ways to count. Any time she talks about something that has emotional significance for her, it’s a fair bet that she’s lying. Lying is one way that she creates conflict in the relationships and lives of those around her - she’ll lie to them about what other people have said, what they’ve done, or how they feel. She’ll lie about her relationship with them, about your behavior or about your situation in order to inflate herself and to undermine your credibility.



The narcissist is very careful about how she lies. To outsiders she’ll lie thoughtfully and deliberately, always in a way that can be covered up if she’s confronted with her lie. She spins what you said rather than makes something up wholesale. She puts dishonest interpretations on things you actually did. If she’s recently done something particularly egregious she may engage in preventative lying: she lies in advance to discount what you might say before you even say it. Then when you talk about what she did you’ll be cut off with “I already know all about it…your mother told me... (self-justifications and lies).” Because she is so careful about her deniability, it may be very hard to catch her in her lies and the more gullible of her friends may never realize how dishonest she is.



To you, she’ll lie blatantly. She will claim to be unable to remember bad things she has done, even if she did one of them recently and even if it was something very memorable. Of course, if you try to jog her memory by recounting the circumstances “You have a very vivid imagination” or “That was so long ago. Why do you have to dredge up your old grudges?” Your conversations with her are full of casual brush-offs and diversionary lies and she doesn’t respect you enough to bother making it sound good. For example she’ll start with a self-serving lie: “If I don’t take you as a dependent on my taxes I’ll lose three thousand dollars!” You refute her lie with an obvious truth: “No, three thousand dollars is the amount of the dependent exemption. You’ll only lose about eight hundred dollars.” Her response: “Isn’t that what I said?” You are now in a game with only one rule: You can’t win.



On the rare occasions she is forced to acknowledge some bad behavior, she will couch the admission deniably. She “guesses” that “maybe” she “might have” done something wrong. The wrongdoing is always heavily spun and trimmed to make it sound better. The words “I guess,” “maybe,” and “might have” are in and of themselves lies because she knows exactly what she did - no guessing, no might haves, no maybes.



9. She has to be the center of attention all the time. This need is a defining trait of narcissists and particularly of narcissistic mothers for whom their children exist to be sources of attention and adoration. Narcissistic mothers love to be waited on and often pepper their children with little requests. “While you’re up…” or its equivalent is one of their favorite phrases. You couldn’t just be assigned a chore at the beginning of the week or of the day, instead, you had to do it on demand, preferably at a time that was inconvenient for you, or you had to “help” her do it, fetching and carrying for her while she made up to herself for the menial work she had to do as your mother by glorying in your attentions.



A narcissistic mother may create odd occasions at which she can be the center of attention, such as memorials for someone close to her who died long ago, or major celebrations of small personal milestones. She may love to entertain so she can be the life of her own party. She will try to steal the spotlight or will try to spoil any occasion where someone else is the center of attention, particularly the child she has cast as the scapegoat. She often invites herself along where she isn’t welcome. If she visits you or you visit her, you are required to spend all your time with her. Entertaining herself is unthinkable. She has always pouted, manipulated or raged if you tried to do anything without her, didn’t want to entertain her, refused to wait on her, stymied her plans for a drama or otherwise deprived her of attention.



Older narcissistic mothers often use the natural limitations of aging to manipulate dramas, often by neglecting their health or by doing things they know will make them ill. This gives them the opportunity to cash in on the investment they made when they trained you to wait on them as a child. Then they call you (or better still, get the neighbor or the nursing home administrator to call you) demanding your immediate attendance. You are to rush to her side, pat her hand, weep over her pain and listen sympathetically to her unending complaints about how hard and awful it is. (“Never get old!”) It’s almost never the case that you can actually do anything useful, and the causes of her disability may have been completely avoidable, but you’ve been put in an extremely difficult position. If you don’t provide the audience and attention she’s manipulating to get, you look extremely bad to everyone else and may even have legal culpability. (Narcissistic behaviors commonly accompany Alzheimer’s disease, so this behavior may also occur in perfectly normal mothers as they age.)



10. She manipulates your emotions in order to feed on your pain. This exceptionally sick and bizarre behavior is so common among narcissistic mothers that their children often call them “emotional vampires.” Some of this emotional feeding comes in the form of pure sadism. She does and says things just to be wounding or she engages in tormenting teasing or she needles you about things you’re sensitive about, all the while a smile plays over her lips. She may have taken you to scary movies or told you horrifying stories, then mocked you for being a baby when you cried. She will slip a wounding comment into conversation and smile delightedly into your hurt face. You can hear the laughter in her voice as she pressures you or says distressing things to you. Later she’ll gloat over how much she upset you, gaily telling other people that you’re so much fun to tease, and recruiting others to share in her amusement. . She enjoys her cruelties and makes no effort to disguise that. She wants you to know that your pain entertains her. She may also bring up subjects that are painful for you and probe you about them, all the while watching you carefully. This is emotional vampirism in its purest form. She’s feeding emotionally off your pain.



A peculiar form of this emotional vampirism combines attention-seeking behavior with a demand that the audience suffer. Since narcissistic mothers often play the martyr this may take the form of wrenching, self-pitying dramas which she carefully produces, and in which she is the star performer. She sobs and wails that no one loves her and everyone is so selfish, and she doesn’t want to live, she wants to die! She wants to die! She will not seem to care how much the manipulation of their emotions and the self-pity repels other people. One weird behavior that is very common to narcissists: her dramas may also center around the tragedies of other people, often relating how much she suffered by association as she cries over the horrible murder of someone she wouldn’t recognize if they had passed her on the street.



11. She’s selfish and willful. She always makes sure she has the best of everything. She insists on having her own way all the time and she will ruthlessly, manipulatively pursue it, even if what she wants isn’t worth all the effort she’s putting into it and even if that effort goes far beyond normal behavior. She will make a huge effort to get something you denied her, even if it was entirely your right to do so and even if her demand was selfish and unreasonable. If you tell her she cannot bring her friends to your party she will show up with them anyway, and she will have told them that they were invited so that you either have to give in, or be the bad guy to these poor dupes on your doorstep. If you tell her she can’t come over to your house tonight she’ll call your spouse and try get him or her to agree that she can, and to not say anything to you about it because it’s a “surprise.” She has to show you that you can’t tell her “no.”



One near-universal characteristic of narcissists: because they are so selfish and self-centered, they are very bad gift givers. They’ll give you hand-me-downs or market things for themselves as gifts for you (“I thought I’d give you my old bicycle and buy myself a new one!” “I know how much you love Italian food, so I’m going to take you to my favorite restaurant for your birthday!”) New gifts are often obviously cheap and are usually things that don’t suit you or that you can’t use or are a quid pro quo: if you buy her the gift she wants, she will buy you an item of your choice. She’ll make it clear that it pains her to give you anything. She may buy you a gift and get the identical item for herself, or take you shopping for a gift and get herself something nice at the same time to make herself feel better.



12. She’s self-absorbed. Her feelings, needs and wants are very important; yours are insignificant to the point that her least whim takes precedence over your most basic needs. Her problems deserve your immediate and full attention; yours are brushed aside. Her wishes always take precedence; if she does something for you, she reminds you constantly of her munificence in doing so and will often try to extract some sort of payment. She will complain constantly, even though your situation may be much worse than hers. If you point that out, she will effortlessly, thoughtlessly brush it aside as of no importance (It’s easy for you…/It’s different for you…).



13. She is insanely defensive and is extremely sensitive to any criticism. If you criticize her or defy her she will explode with fury, threaten, storm, rage, destroy and may become violent, beating, confining, putting her child outdoors in bad weather or otherwise engaging in classic physical abuse. It’s easy to provoke her wrath because she takes everything personally and any attitude short of constant emotional and physical availability is perceived as a slight. If you’re short with her because you’re exhausted and depressed, she has to have it out with you over your “hostility.” If a toddler shouts “I hate you” at her she gets angry and punitive. If you refuse her nosy request to let her read the letter you got she shouts about how unappreciative you are and how hard she has it. She has no sense of perspective or separation and she can’t let anything go. Because the narcissistic mother is so extremely defensive she is completely resistant to change. Narcissists infamously cannot be helped and if anything, change for the worse.



14. She terrorized. All abusers use fear to control their victims, and your narcissistic mother used it ruthlessly to train you. Narcissists teach you to beware their wrath even when they aren’t present. The only alternative is constant placation. If you give her everything she wants all the time, you might be spared. If you don’t, the punishments will come. Even adult children of narcissists still feel that carefully inculcated fear. Your narcissistic mother can turn it on with a silence or a look that tells the child in you she’s thinking about how she’s going to get even.



Not all narcissists abuse physically, but most do, often in subtle, deniable ways. It allows them to vent their rage at your failure to be the solution to their internal havoc and simultaneously to teach you to fear them. You may not have been beaten, but you were almost certainly left to endure physical pain when a normal mother would have made an effort to relieve your misery. This deniable form of battery allows her to store up her rage and dole out the punishment at a later time when she’s worked out an airtight rationale for her abuse, so she never risks exposure. You were left hungry because “you eat too much.” (Someone asked her if she was pregnant. She isn’t). You always went to school with stomach flu because “you don’t have a fever. You’re just trying to get out of school.” (She resents having to take care of you. You have a lot of nerve getting sick and adding to her burdens.) She refuses to look at your bloody heels and instead the shoes that wore those blisters on your heels are put back on your feet and you’re sent to the store in them because “You wanted those shoes. Now you can wear them.” (You said the ones she wanted to get you were ugly. She liked them because they were just like what she wore 30 years ago). The dentist was told not to give you Novocaine when he drilled your tooth because “he has to learn to take better care of his teeth.” (She has to pay for a filling and she’s furious at having to spend money on you.) Unlike psychopaths, narcissists do understand right, wrong, and consequences, so they are not ordinarily criminal. She beat you, but not to the point where you went to the hospital. She left you standing out in the cold until you were miserable, but not until you had hypothermia. She put you in the basement in the dark with no clothes on, but she only left you there for two hours.



Narcissistic mothers also abuse by loosing others on you or by failing to protect you when a normal mother would have. Sometimes the narcissist’s golden child will be encouraged to abuse the scapegoat. Narcissists also abuse by exposing you to violence. If one of your siblings got beaten, she made sure you saw. She effortlessly put the fear of Mom into you, without even touching you.



15. She’s infantile and petty. Narcissistic mothers are often simply childish. If you refuse to let her manipulate you into doing something, she will cry that you don’t love her because if you loved her you would do as she wanted. If you hurt her feelings she will aggressively whine to you that you’ll be sorry when she’s dead that you didn’t treat her better. Anytime she feels hard-done-by, she pouts, whines and gives the silent treatment. When you were a child, she would justify things she did to you by pointing out something that you did that she felt was comparable, as though the childish behavior of a child was justification for the childish behavior of an adult. “Getting even” is a large part of her dealings with you. Anytime you fail to give her the deference, attention or service she feels she deserves, or you thwart her wishes, she has to show you.





16. She’s aggressive and shameless. She doesn’t ask. She demands. She makes outrageous requests and she’ll take anything she wants if she thinks she can get away with it. Her demands of her children are posed in a very aggressive way, as are her criticisms. She won’t take no for an answer, pushing and arm-twisting and manipulating to get you to give in.



17. She “parentifies.” She shed her responsibilities to you as soon as she was able, leaving you to take care of yourself as best you could. She denied you medical care, adequate clothing, necessary transportation or basic comforts that she would never have considered giving up herself. She never gave you a birthday party or let you have sleepovers. Your friends were never welcome in her house. She didn’t like to drive you anywhere, so you turned down invitations because you had no way to get there. She wouldn’t buy your school pictures even if she could easily have afforded it. You had a niggardly clothing allowance or she bought you the cheapest clothing she could without embarrassing herself. As soon as you got a job, every request for school supplies, clothing or toiletries was met with “Now that you’re making money, why don’t you pay for that yourself?”



She also gave you tasks that were rightfully hers and should not have been placed on a child. You may have been a primary caregiver for young siblings or an incapacitated parent. You may have had responsibility for excessive household tasks. Above all, you were always her emotional caregiver which is one reason any defection from that role caused such enormous eruptions of rage. You were never allowed to be needy or have bad feelings or problems. Those experiences were only for her, and you were responsible for making it right for her. From the time you were very young she would randomly lash out at you any time she was stressed or angry with your father or felt that life was unfair to her, because it made her feel better to hurt you. You were often punished out of the blue, for manufactured offenses. As you got older she directly placed responsibility for her welfare and her emotions on you, weeping on your shoulder and unloading on you any time something went awry for her.



18. She’s exploitative. She will manipulate to get work, money, or objects she envies out of other people for nothing. This includes her children, of course. If she set up a bank account for you, she was trustee on the account with the right to withdraw money. As you put money into it, she took it out. She may have stolen your identity. She took you as a dependent on her income taxes so you couldn’t file independently without exposing her to criminal penalties. If she made an agreement with you, it was violated the minute it no longer served her needs. If you brought it up demanding she adhere to the agreement, she brushed you off and later punished you so you would know not to defy her again.



Sometimes the narcissist will exploit a child to absorb punishment that would have been hers from an abusive partner. The husband comes home in a drunken rage, and the mother immediately complains about the child’s bad behavior so the rage is vented on to the child. Sometimes the narcissistic mother simply uses the child to keep a sick marriage intact because the alternative is being divorced or having to go to work. The child is sexually molested but the mother never notices, or worse, calls the child a liar when she tells the mother about the molestation.



19. She projects. This sounds a little like psycho-babble, but it is something that narcissists all do. Projection means that she will put her own bad behavior, character and traits on you so she can deny them in herself and punish you. This can be very difficult to see if you have traits that she can project on to. An eating-disordered woman who obsesses over her daughter’s weight is projecting. The daughter may not realize it because she has probably internalized an absurdly thin vision of women’s weight and so accepts her mother’s projection. When the narcissist tells the daughter that she eats too much, needs to exercise more, or has to wear extra-large size clothes, the daughter believes it, even if it isn’t true. However, she will sometimes project even though it makes no sense at all. This happens when she feels shamed and needs to put it on her scapegoat child and the projection therefore comes across as being an attack out of the blue. For example: She makes an outrageous request, and you casually refuse to let her have her way. She’s enraged by your refusal and snarls at you that you’ll talk about it when you’ve calmed down and are no longer hysterical.



You aren’t hysterical at all; she is, but your refusal has made her feel the shame that should have stopped her from making shameless demands in the first place. That’s intolerable. She can transfer that shame to you and rationalize away your response: you only refused her because you’re so unreasonable. Having done that she can reassert her shamelessness and indulge her childish willfulness by turning an unequivocal refusal into a subject for further discussion. You’ll talk about it again “later” - probably when she’s worn you down with histrionics, pouting and the silent treatment so you’re more inclined to do what she wants.



20. She is never wrong about anything. No matter what she’s done, she won’t ever genuinely apologize for anything. Instead, any time she feels she is being made to apologize she will sulk and pout, issue an insulting apology or negate the apology she has just made with justifications, qualifications or self pity: “I’m sorry you felt that I humiliated you” “I’m sorry if I made you feel bad” “If I did that it was wrong” “I’m sorry, but I there’s nothing I can do about it” “I’m sorry I made you feel clumsy, stupid and disgusting” “I’m sorry but it was just a joke. You’re so over-sensitive” “I’m sorry that my own child feels she has to upset me and make me feel bad.” The last insulting apology is also an example of projection.



21. Sometimes she seems to have no awareness that other people even have feelings, and yet she is brilliantly sensitive to other people’s emotions. Every child of a narcissist recognizes this contradiction because narcissistic mothers do possess the ability to exercise empathy, and in abundance. Sometimes this ability also leads them to identify emotionally with people who are suffering and to express caring for them. When caring about another’s suffering interferes with something the narcissist wants, though, the caring vanishes. When a narcissistic mother wants validation, when she feels like eliciting some emotional pain, when something she wants hurts someone else, the empathy is turned off as though it never existed.



From the perspective of ability, narcissists are extremely empathetic; indeed they have a gift of telling what other people are feeling and thinking. Their skill at discerning and guiding the emotions of other people is the basis of many characteristically narcissistic interactions. Narcissists are very socially adept which is why no one ever believes their children when they complain of their mothers. They know just how to make everyone think that they’re delightful. Narcissistic mothers are exceptional manipulators, and manipulators must be extremely aware, on a moment-by-moment basis, of the emotions of their targets. If you don’t know what people are feeling, you can’t push their buttons. Their exceptional sensitivity to the feelings of others is also the wellspring of their pleasure in inflicting emotional pain through dramas and no-win scenarios. Narcissistic mothers enjoy inflicting emotional pain and they do it very well because they know just what their target children are feeling. That exquisite sensitivity is the reason they don’t need to batter. They can inflict agony without lifting a finger, so why risk exposure and waste effort with beatings when they can elicit the same emotions with words alone?



What narcissistic mothers lack is concern for the consequences of their actions, a behavior that seems rooted in profound selfishness, rather than in the absence of empathy. Mothers with NPD are certainly capable of feeling for others: they’re always feeling for the people with whom their scapegoat has conflicts. They feel for their fellow narcissists. They feel for people who have validated and praised them. They even feel for their child when it doesn’t cost them anything to do so. They just don’t feel for their child when they’re abusing him. They don’t feel anything that interferes with their absorption in their own wants and needs. Because they scour their environment for validation of their own abusiveness, they defend their fellow abusers, so they don’t have any empathy for the victims of those abusers, as the following story shows:



A four-year-old had come to school with a hand print on her face, which had been inflicted as the result of a slap by her mother’s live-in boyfriend. As a mandated reporter my mother had called the authorities, but she told me that she could understand why the boyfriend had hit the child: she was so annoying. Then she said in a dramatic tone dripping with sympathy “You should have seen the parents. They were so ashamed!” In outrage I said “What difference does that make to the child?” Her mouth dropped open and I realized she not only didn’t care at all about that poor little girl…it would never have occurred to her to care.



-Chris



This story shows the misplaced empathy of the abuser for other abusers. There was no empathy in Chris’s mother for the actual victim. Instead it was reserved for the woman who let her boyfriend batter her child. Chris’s mother identified with the abuser, a mother like herself, afflicted with a child who didn’t meet her needs. Her empathy actually attributed virtues to her fellow abuser and faults to the victim that weren’t merited in reality. Someone who hits a small child hard enough to leave a handprint, then sends them to school, isn’t ashamed, and the personality of a four-year-old is not the fault of the child!



The selfish empathy demonstrated by narcissistic mothers contrasts with the genuine empathy shown by normal people. Sometimes a normal person will give up something they really want for themselves because they come to recognize that it will hurt another person. A narcissistic mother will relentlessly go after something she wants even if it isn’t worth the pain she has to inflict to get it.



22. She engineers “no-win” situations that leave you violated and angry and not sure why you feel that way. In the classic “no-win” scenario, the narcissist’s child is subtly manipulated into a corner and then presented with a demand that the child do something degrading, humiliating or painful in order to please the narcissist. Any response other than compliance triggers retaliation.



These sadistic scenes are a defining characteristic of the narcissist. As so often with narcissistic behavior, the payoff for your mother is the elicitation of painful emotions. Whether you subject yourself to her degradation or you fight back and provoke punishment from the narcissist, you will experience a sense of entrapment and fear, and those emotions are very satisfying to her. Her pleasure is augmented by the pain she elicits by undermining, insulting and demeaning you and, as the scene winds down, by blaming you for the entire event.



These scenes are set up very stealthily; so much so that the children of narcissists rarely realize that a trap has been laid before it’s sprung. As always, the narcissist maintains deniability, but the consistencies between scenes betray their deliberate nature. Although the narcissist plays the scene as though it was spontaneous, it never is. It is scripted and premeditated and the stage is set well in advance. If a scene plays out away from home, you can be sure that the mother is in charge of transportation so that the child doesn’t have the option of walking away. If the scene is staged at home, it’s almost always in the mother’s home, not the child’s home, and engineered so that once again, it’s extremely difficult for the child to walk away. The narcissist commonly arranges things so she is alone with her victim, but she may also use the presence of a young child or complicit spouse to ensure that her target doesn’t react angrily.



Often the worst part of these scenes for the child is the awareness of how much his mother enjoys his distress; the children of narcissistic mothers often describe their mother’s “little smile” and air of pleasure as she plays out the no-win scenario. When confronted, some narcissistic mothers will even defend their behavior by saying they were “just having fun.” There is no betrayal more wounding than knowing your own mother is reveling in the pain she purposely caused, nor any emotion more delicious to your narcissistic mother than your sense of shock and misery at your knowledge that she is hurting you deliberately and for fun.



In the following story, an adult daughter is manipulated into a no-win situation. If she does not want to provoke retaliation from her narcissistic mother, she must accept and express gratitude for a gift that was clearly meant as an insult:



A few days before Christmas, my mother walked into the room where I was sitting carrying a pair of old, worn tennis shoes - the kind with the rubber soles and canvas uppers. She said “I know you asked for a pair of running shoes for Christmas. I thought I could give you these and get myself a new pair instead.” My mother was a clothes horse, and always had many pairs of new running shoes in her closet. What’s more, her feet are bigger and narrower than mine, so there’s no way her shoes would have fit me, but I was too shocked and angry to think of that. I said “I don’t want your cast-offs!” and she looked very satisfied and pleased and said “Fine” and walked away. That year I got no gift for Christmas, even though I had bought her something from her wish list, and even though my brother and sister got gifts from her.



I did get a letter after I got home that started “I’m sorry you felt that I offered you “cast-offs” and went on to describe how good her intentions were, how she thought I would be happy to let her do something nice for herself, and how hard she had it as the mother of an “unappreciative” child like me. This wasn’t the first time either. The preceding year she had tried to give me an old, rusty bicycle for Christmas with the stipulation that she would then get herself a new one.

- Chris



This story illustrates an absolutely classic no-win scenario. Although Chris did not realize it at the time, her mother had manipulated her into a corner. Chris had traveled to her mother’s house for Christmas and it was late at night. As a graduate student, Chris was perpetually short on funds, and going to a hotel, even if she could find one at that hour, was out of the question. None of the rest of the family was there yet, so Chris and her mother were alone in the house. There had been no argument or tension, and the attack by her mother came out of the blue.



Chris’s mother proposed something very insulting: she would give Chris her own worn shoes, which didn’t fit Chris and, for which gift Chris was to be “appreciative.” You would have to be very aware and self-possessed to respond calmly to such a demeaning suggestion, and Chris, tired, shocked, and angry, blurted out the first thing that came to mind. Chris’s mother got exactly what she wanted: a good feed on Chris’s hurt and anger, and an excuse to punish Chris with exclusion and withholding and later with a letter filled with guilt-inducing remonstrations.



In reality Chris’s mother never planned on giving Chris a Christmas gift. She was angry that Chris had made herself unavailable for abuse by going to graduate school in another state, and she wanted to punish Chris for her defection. So she manipulated a no-win scenario in which she could simultaneously insult Chris and turn Chris’s predictably angry response into an opportunity for punishment and narcissistic venting. In her letter, she projected her own hostility and selfishness on to Chris, blamed Chris for her own bad behavior, and depicted herself as a martyr, all the while maintaining complete deniability about the deliberate nature of the original interaction.



23. She blames. She’ll blame you for everything that isn’t right in her life or for what other people do or for whatever has happened. Always, she’ll blame you for her abuse. You made her do it. If only you weren’t so difficult. You upset her so much that she can’t think straight. Things were hard for her and your backtalk pushed her over the brink. This blaming is often so subtle that all you know is that you thought you were wronged and now you feel guilty. Your brother beats you and her response is to bemoan how uncivilized children are. Your boyfriend dumped you, but she can understand - after all, she herself has seen how difficult you are to love. She’ll do something egregiously exploitative to you, and when confronted will screech at you that she can’t believe you were so selfish as to upset her over such a trivial thing. She’ll also blame you for your reaction to her selfish, cruel and exploitative behavior. She can’t believe you are so petty, so small, and so childish as to object to her giving your favorite dress to her friend. She thought you would be happy to let her do something nice for someone else.



Narcissists are masters of multitasking as this example shows. Simultaneously your narcissistic mother is 1) Lying. She knows what she did was wrong and she knows your reaction is reasonable. 2) Manipulating. She’s making you look like the bad guy for objecting to her cruelties. 3) Being selfish. She doesn’t mind making you feel horrible as long as she gets her own way. 4) Blaming. She did something wrong, but it’s all your fault. 5) Projecting. Her petty, small and childish behavior has become yours. 6) Putting on a self-pitying drama. She’s a martyr who believed the best of you, and you’ve let her down. 7) Parentifying. You’re responsible for her feelings, she has no responsibility for yours.



24. She destroys your relationships. Narcissistic mothers are like tornadoes: wherever they touch down families are torn apart and wounds are inflicted. Unless the father has control over the narcissist and holds the family together, adult siblings in families with narcissistic mothers characteristically have painful relationships. Typically all communication between siblings is superficial and driven by duty, or they may never talk to each other at all. In part, these women foster dissension between their children because they enjoy the control it gives them. If those children don’t communicate except through the mother, she can decide what everyone hears. Narcissists also love the excitement and drama they create by interfering in their children’s lives. Watching people’s lives explode is better than soap operas, especially when you don’t have any empathy for their misery.



The narcissist nurtures anger, contempt and envy - the most corrosive emotions - to drive her children apart. While her children are still living at home, any child who stands up to the narcissist guarantees punishment for the rest. In her zest for revenge, the narcissist purposefully turns the siblings’ anger on the dissenter by including everyone in her retaliation. (“I can see that nobody here loves me! Well I’ll just take these Christmas presents back to the store. None of you would want anything I got you anyway!”) The other children, long trained by the narcissist to give in, are furious with the troublemaking child, instead of with the narcissist who actually deserves their anger.



The narcissist also uses favoritism and gossip to poison her childrens’ relationships. The scapegoat sees the mother as a creature of caprice and cruelty. As is typical of the privileged, the other children don’t see her unfairness and they excuse her abuses. Indeed, they are often recruited by the narcissist to adopt her contemptuous and entitled attitude towards the scapegoat and with her tacit or explicit permission, will inflict further abuse. The scapegoat predictably responds with fury and equal contempt. After her children move on with adult lives, the narcissist makes sure to keep each apprised of the doings of the others, passing on the most discreditable and juicy gossip (as always, disguised as “concern”) about the other children, again, in a way that engenders contempt rather than compassion.



Having been raised by a narcissist, her children are predisposed to be envious, and she takes full advantage of the opportunity that presents. She may never praise you to your face, but she will likely crow about your victories to the very sibling who is not doing well. She’ll tell you about the generosity she displayed towards that child, leaving you wondering why you got left out and irrationally angry at the favored child rather than at the narcissist who told you about it.



The end result is a family in which almost all communication is triangular. The narcissist, the spider in the middle of the family web, sensitively monitors all the children for information she can use to retain her unchallenged control over the family. She then passes that on to the others, creating the resentments that prevent them from communicating directly and freely with each other. The result is that the only communication between the children is through the narcissist, exactly the way she wants it.



25. As a last resort she goes pathetic. When she’s confronted with unavoidable consequences for her own bad behavior, including your anger, she will melt into a soggy puddle of weepy helplessness. It’s all her fault. She can’t do anything right. She feels so bad. What she doesn’t do: own the responsibility for her bad conduct and make it right. Instead, as always, it’s all about her, and her helpless self-pitying weepiness dumps the responsibility for her consequences AND for her unhappiness about it on you. As so often with narcissists, it is also a manipulative behavior. If you fail to excuse her bad behavior and make her feel better, YOU are the bad person for being cold, heartless and unfeeling when your poor mother feels so awful.



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I can give you almost exact actions my mother took according to these 25 points to the inth of a degree really sad and at one point I thought I would have a nervouse breakdown.
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Wow, Neon, the above regarding the Characteristics of a Narcissistic Mother was quite the post! I was overwhelmed reading it, and, sadly, can relate. 25 points? It seems it was more like 305! I sat reading, incredulous that it fits so well.

No wonder we all struggle so much with our own well being. I feel this deeply, and can't even find words to express the turmoil this is causing, even still. My heart and mind are full of images and remembrances of all that has transpired in my life. I numbly wonder about the future, as we have a long road to go. This makes me feel incredibly tired.
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Is there a 12-step program dedicated to recovery from toxic parenting? If not--we need one! Sounds like NPD is a family disease much like alcoholism but far more devastating and less understood. I saw the term "normal" used in some of the other postings. In reality, what many of us are experiencing is normal for our situations. But what we really need to break the cycle is to see what "healthy" parenting/ caregiving behavior looks like. If any of you regulars can share some "healthy" stories that would be a great start.
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Well this is exactly why I decided to seej theraoy ut was IMG OMG OMG OMG I have lived this life and could never pinpoint why now I now. Information is power. Now you know so the healing can begin. I shared this with my sister and we were so blown away It's incredible isn't it. We are here to help each other I need help but I will do my best to help all of you to.
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couple this with a nPD /alcoholic father and I wonder why most of my life I thought I was crazy ??
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A heathy parent is free with hugs and kisses, encouragement. A healthy Parent wants their child to excell in what thet do. A healthy parent lets their children try different things to see what they like to do and dones not force the child to participate in activities just becase the are good at it and the parent likes it. A healthy parent lets children have friends but keeps their eyes open and maybe has a network of mothers so she knows what the child is up to at all times. Just to make sure their child is not with thw wrong crowd or getting abused . A healthy parent doesn't punish a child by with holding food beatings with a belt, hanger, broom or whatever is handy although a spanking may be appropriate and dicipline is always done in a loving manner. A healthy parent does't make a child do all there work although children need to learn how to do chores, Thats a start. and a chocolate chip cookie and a hug doesn't have to come just from grandmothers. let children experiment in life, in the kitchen with your supervision, take them places you never got to go. 've taken mine to Amish country, paint galleries, battlefileds, farms and lots of other places to see how other people live. play with your kids, experiment with ethnic foods, we used to do chinese dinners sit on the floor my son has used chop sticks since he was 6 biw we cok together and the list goes on and on. I hope some of these examples help oh wax tge floors put cleand socks on and buff the floor its fun its like ice skating teach your child to dance to your music. I better stop right there your eyes are probably burning LOL
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I think you know you have been a good parent when the predominate sounds that come from your child are laughter and gratitude.
Sis, Talk to your son. He has eyes and ears and he knows what is going on. Let him comfort you. Now is a good time for him to learn how to comfort when there is nothing he can do.
Let him know that you are befuddled and worried. tell him that one of the things that worries you the most is that you feel that you may be neglecting him. Leave no word unsaid, do not assume that he will figure this out, or that he will come to you. Tell him that you are distracted and that it is his job right now to let you know when he needs to share a hug, or would like to spend some time making cookies, or talking about a movie or a book. My son was your son's age when my parental cave in happened. He figured out a lot. But the explosion took place when I saw it start to happen to my son, "This is your fault..." WHAT!!! I stopped her in her tracks.
The hard part for me is not to protect my son too much. I have a tendency to look everyone in the eye, trust no one..., I do not want to be a hover mother, and I do not want to make him distrustful of everyone, but he needs to know that not everyone out there is a good person. But I do not want to make him believe that there isn't good .
Talk to you son honestly. He has a better understanding of what is going on than you think he does. Then do what it did, get caller I.D and assume that if something is REALLY wrong, she won't waste time annoying you, she'll call 911.
Neon, whenI read that article I was really surprised that someone was able to write it so well. Some things my mother never was, others to the letter. I never understood why she was able to be so caring to others and cry at their pain, while she let me become damaged by flus and infections, not even a tissue. I look back at me as a little kid and wonder how anyone could not want to help. The school would send me to the emergency room, and then she would get mad at me for making her look like a bad mother. I never figured that one out. Now I understand.
The one thing we all need to get from these discoveries, is that we did not deserve it. Children are children. When my mom told my three year old that he was immature, I freaked. I had heard that from the womb. What did she really believe she was giving birth too?
Ezcare, absolutely. I understand your subtle point, let us focus on making ourselves stronger adults and better parents. But you also have to understand that we came from some really bad stuff. We need to understand in order to be satisfied with it, and move on. I think all of us have made profound strides in that direction in a very short while.
The hardest part is the giving up. In order to care for our parents as well as we can, then we need to give up. Give up fear, anger, hope for change, and the hardest is to give up the buttons. The lamp analogy is good. Don't plug into the socket and the buttons won't work. BUT let's face it, we are hard wired. We have been in this relationship from conception, if it had been an easy thing to do, we would have done it by now.
I want a loving mother. I want a kind friendly father -there with a joke and a kind word.
Sis, your sister still wants that too. We delude ourselves everyday. The longer we are away from something, it doesn't feel so bad. it wasn't that bad. It can be better, we will try harder and then everything will be okay. She wants a mom too. ..but she is smart enough to know she wants you to break the wild horse first.
I am getting it. it is sinking in. I still wake up, but I wake up with less dispare each night. I did not expect for this to help so quickly. Knowing that identical things have happened to others, brothers and sisters... I am not crazy. I am not to blame, and I am setting that old thinking on the curb to be hauled away.
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