She's moving into an independent living facility and she's told she wasn't allowed to go to church till this pandemic is over. She a christian lady and never missed church. I don't see how they can do this it's against her rights.
It is not "against her rights" at all. The residents, and your friend, have a right to not get sick and die because one person insisted she go to church. I'd think the same policy is in place across the country. It doesn't matter where she wants to go on Sundays, be it church or the mall or a restaurant. Anywhere where numerous people are in one place is too risky right now. Your friend may be willing to take that chance, but she can't risk other peoples' lives.
If they did let someone go to church and they transmit the virus, and your friend dies from it... would you be okay with that? Would other families be okay with that? Doubt it.
There's always religious services broadcast on TV Sunday mornings. Last I checked, God is omnipotent. You can pray anywhere, anytime. You can read your Bible whenever you want. You could even chat on the phone with a minister if need be.
As a person of faith myself, it irks me when Christians claim they're being denied rights or persecuted in America. Unless you're being used as a tasty snack for lions, you are not being persecuted.
Of course she cannot go to her church. She could pick up covid, which now sees 1,000 deaths in the last 24 hours alone, and which is peaking again, from congregating in her church. No facility in their right minds would let her return then to a group of at risk seniors. Trust me, any loving God will forgive her for not carrying Covid-19 into the midst of a group of elders. If the facility did anything else I would hold them irresponsible in an almost criminal way. Surely there are Seniors there who are believers, who can congregate together and celebrate the love of their God.
Our church has social distancing implemented for seating, masks required while you are not seated and it has worked well.
However, we have live streaming for the ones that want to stay out of public places.
I think that your friend needs to decide if she really wants to move right now and what is more important to her.
I believe that following the guidelines keeps us safe and being socially isolated is killing our seniors, what's worse, slow lonely death or covid which has a death rate of half a percent according to new numbers released by WHO and CDC.
When we move into a facility they have rules that you agree to, so you can not really complain if you don't agree and move in anyway.
The problem isn't with HER getting covid if she wishes to run that risk. That's up to her. The problem is with bringing it back to an independent living facility. I happen to be with you on covid. I would happily get it at 78, tell them no heroic measures, and get the GOOD DRUGS and ushered right on out. My partner doesn't happen to feel the same. So I care for myself to protect HIM. I surely agree that if she lives in an independent living facility that has rules she cannot agree to, she could move, but I hope there is no independent living facility out there risking this behavior now. Yesterday we had 850 deaths in the USA. Today we have 1,000 per day. We are on the upswing again, and this is the tip of the iceberg. Those who live with others now have to protect others.
Our (unbiased) national news today says that 500,000 new Covid cases were reported in the USA last week. Illinois, with just under half the population of Australia, reported 30,000 new cases last week. That’s more cases than Australia has had altogether since January. I doubt if people who catch it in Church are guaranteed automatic entry to heaven. No vaccine is ready yet, and any site that says so is deeply suspect. A few vaccines are being trialed on very brave volunteers, Deep sorrow for America and for everyone in the world facing such difficult times.
Not only do they not get an automatic entry to heaven, meanwhile they are spreading Covid to others. Not worth the risk. If her living facility is opposed to it, why make waves? That is their policy. It is different if a person lives alone and they go home to an empty house.
Sort of reminds me of the people who move next to a train track or an airport and complain.
From what I have read there is no vaccine as of yet. Our Governor, NJ, has said it will be voluntary but he hopes 70% of the population gets the vaccine. It cannot be given to those who don't want it. Me, I think all the politicians should get it first then we will see if there are any side effects. 😊
The death total for the 1918-1920 pandemic was 25k per month.... oh wait, the U.S. is at the amount right now with close to 1k deaths per day !!! My gosh, didn't anyone learn anything from that pandemic of 100 years ago?
I am still amazed at how many people are not taking this pandemic seriously. Do they believe that the death counts are fake news or what? I saw interviews on TV where some people still believe the virus is a hoax.
What is happening this year with the virus is running parallel as to what happened with the pandemic of 1918. Some people didn't want to wear masks [back then the masks were gauze].... some people didn't want to distant themselves from others.... and there were some Mayors of big cities that still held parades which crammed in thousands of people, which spiked the virus. Sounds like history is repeating itself.... [sigh]
As history repeats itself, people still won't listen or take precautions for themselves or others. The virus has already mutated many times and is not to be taken lightly. Going to a simple trip to the grocery store means masking up, safety glasses on because of side shields don't touch anything unless you are purchasing it, car keys in a plastic bag, no purse, no cell phone, hand sanitizer waiting in the car, shoes off in the garage before entering the house. While in the store quite a few without masks and no idea that 6 feet distance does not mean 6 inches. It's frustrating when others claim it's their constitutional right not to wear a mask, or to have a large party because they can, later on finding out their party caused a major outbreak. If everyone would take precautions and preventative measures maybe this could have been contained by now with fewer deaths.
Yes, they can tell her that, because the safety of everyone at the facility is their responsibility. If she wants to self-quarantine all the time and never mingle with others where she lives, including all meals and activities, maybe they'd OK it, but in the end it's their house, their rules.
She has the right to attend services in person if she chooses to however the facility also has the right and obligation to set rules that proactively protect their residents, hence restricted in person visitations and outings. She does not have the right to potentially infect other people or cause harm to others. This virus can be and has been deadly for many. She can attend mass by watching it on TV, that's what dh and I have been doing. If she is religious she will know that the building is not the church, the people are. God does not want his people to put themselves or others in harm's way, she can pray and worship from the facility. He doesn't judge if you went into a building for mass, he listens to prayers regardless of where you are. I know that these are hard times for many people, lack of socialization, extra precautions when you do need to get out to the store or appointment. If it's the after service socializing she misses there are always phone conversations and texting. Have her check her church's website, some are doing virtual bible studies and group meetings. Something like this may help her feel involved but still keep her and others safe. Please stress to her that she really doesn't want to contract this virus nor will she want to be the one to spread it. It affects different people in different ways, we have lost a good friend, another may need to be on oxygen for the rest of his life, going from an active, fit person who now lives his life hooked up to an O2 hose, diminishing his and his wife's quality of life. No more ski trips, running marathons, or snorkeling on vacation. Can not perform his job as an industrial electrician any longer either. Is going into a building really worth the risk to her and others?
Attorneys are going to have a heyday with this for years to come. Infringement of civil rights, spreading due to noncompliance, employers not requiring any protections or requiring protections, knowingly spreading when already diagnosed, etc, etc, etc.....
I would not set foot in a church, especially here in rural, rogue America.
If they did let someone go to church and they transmit the virus, and your friend dies from it... would you be okay with that? Would other families be okay with that? Doubt it.
There's always religious services broadcast on TV Sunday mornings. Last I checked, God is omnipotent. You can pray anywhere, anytime. You can read your Bible whenever you want. You could even chat on the phone with a minister if need be.
As a person of faith myself, it irks me when Christians claim they're being denied rights or persecuted in America. Unless you're being used as a tasty snack for lions, you are not being persecuted.
Surely there are Seniors there who are believers, who can congregate together and celebrate the love of their God.
I truly love your insight! Your answers always make me smile.
However, we have live streaming for the ones that want to stay out of public places.
I think that your friend needs to decide if she really wants to move right now and what is more important to her.
I believe that following the guidelines keeps us safe and being socially isolated is killing our seniors, what's worse, slow lonely death or covid which has a death rate of half a percent according to new numbers released by WHO and CDC.
When we move into a facility they have rules that you agree to, so you can not really complain if you don't agree and move in anyway.
Sort of reminds me of the people who move next to a train track or an airport and complain.
I am still amazed at how many people are not taking this pandemic seriously. Do they believe that the death counts are fake news or what? I saw interviews on TV where some people still believe the virus is a hoax.
What is happening this year with the virus is running parallel as to what happened with the pandemic of 1918. Some people didn't want to wear masks [back then the masks were gauze].... some people didn't want to distant themselves from others.... and there were some Mayors of big cities that still held parades which crammed in thousands of people, which spiked the virus. Sounds like history is repeating itself.... [sigh]
https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
I would not set foot in a church, especially here in rural, rogue America.