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My wife and I recently had my mother, who has Alzheimer's, move in with us. Dad also had dementia, so two years ago, my wife and I moved a trailer onto my parents property, so we could take care of them. They lived in a small house next to our trailer. In October, they both caught covid (unvaccinated), and dad died. Mom went to rehab for a month, then came to live with us, because we felt it wasn't safe for her to live by herself in the house. The house has no heat, just a wood stove, so it wasn't suitable anyway. (Last winter was a nightmare). So it has been a roller coaster ride having mom living with us so far. The rehab said she was at stage 5 of the 7 stages of Alzheimer's progression. One big issue is that she currently does not have a doctor. A doctor has to send the order for home health care to the health care agency that her medicare advantage insurance will pay for. Seems no area doctors are taking new patients now. Also, I have no power of attorney (mom doesn't trust lawyers), but am going to talk to a lawyer next week about getting guardianship. We don't want to put mom in managed care, because she owns 8 acres of ground, (which our trailer is sitting on), and my understanding is that the property would have to be sold for her to qualify for medicaid. The local hospital has "in home hospice care", but the nurse that came by said that mom isn't "far along enough". She would have to be not ambulatory, and incontintent before they could provide help. My wife and I are stuck with one of us always having to be with mom, (I quit my job) so its really confining. My hope is that we can manage to keep mom at home so we don't have to sell the property and lose out trailer (its too old to be moved again). So, this is a long way of saying, I feel pretty lost right now.

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You could buy the 8 acres from her at fair market price. Then Mom can go into care and you can resume working.
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MJ1929 Dec 2022
If Mom's incompetent and has no POA, how can she legally sell anything?

That's something I'd be asking an attorney.
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You either sell your mother's property to finance her ongoing care in Memory Care Assisted Living or you stay "stuck" caring for her yourself at home. I mean, what other choices are there? You want Medicaid to fund her care AND to keep your "inheritance", is what I think you're saying, but that's not how life works. My parents went thru their entire life savings like a hot knife thru butter in order to get the proper care they required in Assisted Living and then Memory Care for mom for 3 years. I was left with nothing when she passed in February which was fine, because I wasn't in a position to do hands on caregiving for her level of dementia.

Also, if mom has no doctor, how did she get diagnosed with Alzheimer's to begin with?? Who do you call when issues arise, or do you just keep taking her to the ER? I would say it's imperative to get online and find a PCP for her immediately. I would think the hospital social worker could assist you with that. Or the area Office on Aging.

With stage 5 AD going on, it's unlikely you can get POA assigned now because she's incompetent to sign legal documents. You'll be better off going for guardianship which can be costly and take time, however.

My condolences on the loss of your father. I wish you good luck trying to care for your mother at home and preserve the 8 acres of land she owns. You may want to rethink quitting your job and losing that income, though, not to mention paying into Social Security to insure YOUR retirement years are properly covered, financially. Keep in mind your mother's resources are intended to be used for HER care in old age. Quitting your job to preserve a few acres of land may be a disastrous financial move on your part. A chat with an Elder Care atty is likely your best move at this juncture.
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Photod1 Dec 2022
Mom was diagnosed by the doctor at the rehab she was in. I had to quit my job because Someone needed to be with her all the time. And we haven't been able to get any home health care set up, because she needs to see a doctor, who refers an order to the home health care agency she her medicare advantage insurance pays for. I cant force her to see a doctor. I am going to chat with an attorney this week. The property would have to be sold for her to qualify for medicaid anyway.
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Medicaid is for those who have no assets and can’t afford to pay for their own care. Your mom has assets that you want to preserve for yourself. You want the taxpayers to fund mom’s end-of-life care. Does that really seem right? Please use the assets to get the best possible professional care for your mother. She deserves it.
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sp19690 Dec 2022
Can we stop shaming people for wanting to preserve their inheritance. Especially after she moved on the property to take care of dad and mom. Many don't realize they can and should ve charging their parents for their care especially since many quit their jobs to do the care. If she is able to find a way to save that 8 acres then i am all for it. With all the government waste and stupid pork spending why should she give it to the government of she can find a loop hole. Ideally advance planning is the best way but many seniors wont do that because they dont want to face the reality that death is coming for them.
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To answer your original question, yes you can care for someone with Alzheimer's in your home until they die. Will it be easy? That would be a BIG hell to the no! Will it be expensive? That would be a BIG yes, as in time it will take more than just you and your wife to care for her(as it takes a village)and home health care can cost way more than placing someone in a facility. As you are already seeing in that you nor your wife can leave her alone, and the fact that you've had to quit your job to care for her.
If your mother in fact has Alzheimer's and not one of the other dementias, it can go on for many many years. A gentleman in my support groups wife is in her 20th year of Alzheimer's. He had to place her in a memory care facility 6 years ago when he just couldn't care for her anymore by himself as she was severely incontinent and was wandering. She's now completely bedridden but still hanging on.
Do you think you and your wife can hang on for another 10+ years caring for her?
You don't know what the future holds for any of you, so it's best to start getting your ducks in a row now. And quitting your job is only hurting yours and your wife's own future.
As already said your mothers property should be used for her care and not for your inheritance. The fact that at this stage your inheritance seems to be more important to you, tells me that perhaps you really don't have your mothers best interests in mind.
Your mother will only continue to get worse and you MUST do what is best for her.
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sp19690 Dec 2022
Seems to me it's been all about mom and dad since the OP moved on the property to care for dad and mom. OP stopped working to care for mom was it the best move to make? No. B but it was about mom. The problem is adult children giving up their own health and financial stability to care for aging parents. Many dont know they have options. Many know about options but feel too guilty to do what should be done. OP may have spent money to move onto the property to help her parents. Now you think she should be left in a financial lurch so taxpayers don't get screwed over caring for mom. If anything all these years of her caretaking has saved taxpayers a boat load of money. Yet I dont see the government compensating her for it.

Yet since OP didn't set things up properly from the beginning due to not knowing or maybe parents made promises without getting things in writing they are about to get screwed over and it's not right or fair.

Believe me them getting this small pittance of 8 acres with a run down house is not going to make a dent in the ridiculous government waste and spending taxpayers are forced to pay for against their will.

My evil child abuser FIL just has his umpteenth heart surgery courtesy of taxpayers since he is 80 years old. What a waste to keep that piece of garbage alive at the taxpayers expense.
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I don't think OP is trying to preserve his inheritance, I think he just wants to keep his home.

My Mom owned 7 acres of of ground and it was an exempt asset under Medicaid. I had it up for sale but not sure if it had to be.

Guardian is going to cost you unless Mom has the funds which Medicaid will allow. To get guardianship you will need a doctor maybe more.

I think you need to talk to a Medicaid caseworker. Ask how Moms property comes in to play as an exempt asset with you living on it as their caregivers the last two years. There is a caregivers allowance but not sure how that works when u don't actually live in the house but next door to them. Make sure you make the caseworker aware that you quit a job and moved next door to be their Caregivers.

Unless the doctor in Rehab was a Neurologist, I would not take his diagnosis as ALZ. ALZ is very hard to diagnosis. Mom needs a Neurologist to correctly diagnosis Mom.
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spoonielife Jan 2023
"I don't think OP is trying to preserve his inheritance, I think he just wants to keep his home." THANK YOU!

Really don't understand why everyone seems to want to just pile on to this poor person who is just looking for information and help like everyone else. Aren't we all here looking for help and support? It's not like there's a Caregiver Olympics and some medal for getting it "perfect," as if such a thing existed.

Good on you for *trying* so hard to take care of them OP. Maybe you didn't have all the information you needed, maybe you coulda / woulda / shoulda done things differently had you known this or that (I would have in my own journey) but YOU ARE TRYING. There are so many elders out there whose family abandons them or abuses & neglects them. You're doing your best. Keep it up, and don't forget to take care of yourself too. <3
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Good luck with that 'medicare advantage'...they are not part of actual Medicare but contract for them and can deny services at their discretion; many believe some of those 'advantage' companies are ruining Medicare. I joke 'whose advantage'?...not the patient's, but the companies bottom line while they drain real Medicare. They were allowed to tack 'medicare' onto their names/plans which confuses the public that Medicare supports their tactics. Beware, do your homework, friends.
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Isthisrealyreal Dec 2022
Santalynn, I experienced the same thing with my dad's dis "advantage" plan.

It is represented that they are Medicare but, you are right, they are Medicare contractors and they screw people and the system.
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The short answer is Yes, but the caviat is that you will need help. I cared for my husband all the way to the end, but I needed help. I had about 10 hours per week, twice a week,, for the last 6 months, so I could go out and do a few things. And because he was able to walk until the last 2 weeks, I was able to take him to physical therapy, once a week, which helped a lot. The last two weeks I got some more help, to help with a shower and things that were difficult for him and me to manage. It required someone 24 x 7, however. The helper I found was a semi-retired nurse with experience with dementia, who was very understanding, NOT a young person, and NOT an agency, but the same person each day. I ordered groceries online and took him with me for a pickup. It is exhausting, but I am glad I did it. I should have had MORE help however to aleviate the pressure on me, so I could treat him better.
You will definitely need a good geriatric doctor, that you trust. And you need a POA. Thank you for being a loving son.
Good luck.
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Kimbof Dec 2022
My mother will be seeing a geriatric physician soon. Did you find this doctor more helpful than the regular GP?
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I’m sorry for the loss of your father and that you’ve experienced dementia with both parents. Determine the best care for your mother based on what’s good for both her best interests and yours. Whether or not she can be cared for in home for the rest of her life depends on an endless array of variables, you simply can’t tell what may be coming. She needs to be kept safe and well cared for, and it sounds like you’re stressed with this role. No judgment for that, it’s often an impossibly hard job. I’m sorry you left your job, guarding your own future is just as important as mom’s care. Mom’s assets are intended to pay for her needs, if the land needs to be sold to accomplish that, so be it. Contact the rehab your mother was in and ask for the social worker to help you with the doctor referral. Ask the local Area Agency on Aging for guidance also. I wish you well in figuring out the best plan
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Dear PhotoD1. I'm very sorry to read about this tough, tough situation. What a blessing you and your wife are to sacrifice so much for your parents. You cannot care for your mom perfectly...there's just too much. I'm praying you find relief in knowing you are doing your best. (Even when you later wish you'd done something differently.) God bless you.

The experts in this forum have helped me be a better family caregiver.

If your mom doesn't have a doctor, you might consider asking your doctor or your wife's doctor for assistance. Caregiving can be extremely stressful, especially if you are trying to do your best...all the time. Your doctor will be invested in relieving your stress and anxiety. If you do not live in an area with an aging population, you might explore online resources in areas where there is a large aging pop like California, Florida and Maine.

My mom is four+ years diagnosed with dementia. I left my state in 2021 to move in with my folks so I could help them age-in-place (in their home). After 25 years, I'm exiting my job on January 1.

Recently my mom's doctor asked my mom (and me and my Pop) a pertinent question; if my mom fell or got sick or had any kind of accident that required significant care in addition to what we're already doing, would she rather move to a place where she would receive 24/7 professional care, or would she rather stay home.

My mom looked at me quizzically. I answered for her.

Surprisingly, I said, "We want her to be at home." That's what I said, no matter how many times I've fantasized about the day when I could simply visit my mom in memory care.

My mom is incontinent. She cannot be left alone. She is mobile but we're looking at walkers to steady her increasing instability. Over 50% of our day is spent calming (regulating) her anxiety and distress.

We have a caregiver from an agency come to our home, once a week for four hours. I've learned SO much from her. We expect to increase her hours as our needs increase.

If you haven't yet, maybe you can consult a local caregiving agency. They will be the experts in your area, and they are usually pretty generous with information.

Thank you for loving your mom. You are an honorable son.
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If your mom can be managed with a consistent routine and consistent environment, you might be able to manage her at home. If she is easy-going and sleeps well at night, you and your wife may be able to manage her care yourselves. Most people with dementia do become more agitated and confused as their disease progresses. She may need medication(s) to help manage her agitation which may manifest as anxiety, fearfulness, or hostility. Call the local hospital to find her a doctor in the local area. Be prepared to add "helpers:" family, friends, members of faith community, paid help... as her disease progresses. You need enough helpers who will learn her routines/medications to help you so you can have some "time off" daily and more weekly. Why? So you can take care of your own needs and nurture your relationships. Others might be needed to step in to care if your and your spouse ever get injured or ill.
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