LilyLavalle Posted February 2024
Why does this generation of elders expect their children to give up their lives to provide for their every need and happiness?
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The grooming and conditioning out parents do to us is a form of abuse. However, when we become adults we decide how much power that grooming and conditioning is going to have over us.
At some point tolerating our parents' abuse and manipulation becomes a choice. Adults can choose to walk away and go. Children cannot and no one here is a child.
@Laura271
Good for you, sister. You dodged the bullet by refusing to do caregiving for your parents. I'm glad you learned from many people's experiences here on this forum.
It's an old tactic dangling the inheritance carrot in front of adult children as a means of controlling them. Good for you telling your step-mother where to step off.
As for your mean grandmother who lived to 105. You know what they say.
Only the good die youg. SMH...
My parents never took care of their parents. I didn’t know my dad’s parents. They died before I was born.
I knew my mom’s parents very well. I adored them. They were fiercely independent and didn’t require any care from my mom.
So, there was no frame of reference for me of my parents caring for their parents.
I raised my daughters to be independent. So, why would I rob them of their independence if I should need care later on? No way, will I ever expect them to care for me in my older years.
I think about that incident every time I hear this phrase. I never say it myself though. :-)
i had enough and stopped. She conveniently forgets how I helped
her since my brother and SIL are now doing all the heavy lifting. Ive tried to keep an open dialogue with them but not much communication. My mother expects to be taken care of and says she doesn’t want to go to a “home.” She has a paid caregiver 20 hours per week, but she treats this woman terribly, and whines about how much she pays her and how dumb and low class she is (not shocking because this is my mother’s style but still disturbs me). I’ve heard rumblings from family members about my lack of interest but I don’t care. Admit it sometimes has been difficult to resist the urge to do my “share” but I’ve resisted so far. She holds the inheritance card also. I will not play that game with her. She also has free will to do as she pleases. She’s perfectly fine with being a burden and having a very low quality of life.
My MIL NEVER had any expectations of anyone taking care of her. She was planning their move to ALF when she unexpectedly passed away.
My grandfather - who would be 100 now if he had lived - never had any expectation of anyone taking care of him. We didn't realize how much he took care of my grandmother though - or maybe spoiled is a better word.
My grandmother - 98 this year - is an interesting amalgamation of "I don't need help!", "Promise me you won't put me in a nursing home." and "I can take of myself." My mom has been taking care of my grandmother now for 3 years - in GM's home because she refused to come here. GM THINKS she is completely independent and doesn't need my mom. But she completely falls apart when mom leaves for the day. SHE thinks she is rescuing mom from sharing our home because she can't understand how well it works for us and how quiet it actually is lol. But she NEEDS care. And honestly I can't see my mom ever putting her in a SNF no matter how hard it gets - because she is an only child, parentified very young, and raised in a culture of guilt - so it's instilled in her.
I saved the best for last lol. My FIL. at almost 90, he weighed over 300 pounds and was mostly immobile. We kept him home for as long as we could. But there was a line that we couldn't cross if he couldn't get himself out of the bed and to the bathroom. My BIL and SIL moved in (of their own need) and became default caregivers. And that was more than anyone could ask for obvious reasons.
But unlike MIL - who he somehow didn't plan to move with if she went to ALF - he had 100% expectation that his children were going to take care of him. That was always the plan. He literally told my DH that he needed to leave me and our children and our home to come take care of him when it became too much for SIL. We weren't invited, only DH.
He ended up in a SNF because his care was beyond us (and of course DH leaving was just laughed off...but FIL was very serious. He never let DH stop paying for not doing his will. Insults like "man up" and "Grow a pair" were thrown out with regard to telling me he was going to go live with this dad and help him. DH said "Dad, I am 'manning up' and 'growing a pair' and telling YOU no! That's not happening!"
FIL demanded everything all the time and everyone was supposed to sacrifice everything to give it to him.
I think more than anything - it depends on the person - not necessarily the generation. I know plenty of people MY age (50s) that expect their kids to take care of them later in life, don't have any retirement or plans. I can't wrap my head around it.
Are you a cultural expert on Native American nations and their tribal customs? If you are not then you really can't make such a statement like the comments you've made here because they are very offensive to Native Americans."
Burnt, I’m glad you brought this up. I’ve been a student of cultures for most of my life. I’ve traveled extensively to 37 countries and to as many states for work research and for pleasure, including once as a member of a prestigious cultural delegation and having all expenses of that weeks-long trip paid by the faraway country that invited me. My grandson earned a degree in anthropology and is a working anthropologist. I admire in one way or another all cultures that I’ve studied. Human beings have, out of necessity, devised various ways to survive. Senicide is one of them. Infanticide is another. It’s not disparaging to mention that a society abandoned their old people or their babies. This is history. It happened. It’s human. We are wired to assure that our group survives, for without the group, individuals will die and our species could cease to exist. In good times, when there are enough resources for all, senicide or infanticide isn’t likely to be practiced. We live in comparatively good times.
I have a friend who survived the Cultural Revolution in China. She was born in 1960, and she had five siblings. Food was scarce. They lived in a remote province. When she was born, her father carried her to the Peace Room and left her on top of a pile of bodies. The Peace Room was where the village disposed of their dying and dead prior to cremation. He regretted it later that day and went back to get her. She grew up knowing that her parents had initially thrown her away because they doubted their ability to feed another child. During Mao’s Cultural Revolution, 1966-1976, people in her village ate anything they could find. Songbirds, insects, plants. A person would come running into the village to tell them when old people in nearby villages were about to die. Her mother, carrying a large basket, would hurry there, and when she came back, they had meat. My friend doesn’t know - and I don’t know - if the old people were killed or if they died naturally. It could have been either.
As for my latter years, I’ve devoted many of them, as a family caregiver, to the survival of old people. Reminder: We have no idea who our anonymous posters are or what their accomplishments might be. Today I’ve revealed some of mine.
Informative article about senicide: “Growing Old With The Inuit.” https://nowheremag.com/2015/04/growing-old-with-the-inuit-3/
When I lived out west I had a relationship with a Lakota man. He was beautiful and may he rest in peace. I can assure you both that his grandparents who had serious care needs (Grandmother had dementia and mobility issues. Grandfather was in a wheelchair and had severe COPD) were not left out the plains to be eaten by wolves and vultures. His parents and relatives took care of them. He took care of them. Hired homecare took care of them too.
His family managed the care of these two better than any family I ever knew and I did this line of work for 25 years. So really, whatever either of you studied or may have heard from actual scholars really isn't the same as seeing and experiencing something for yourself. I saw and experienced this wonder firsthand and it was beautiful. No one had resentment towards them. No one was fighting about who had to do what and no one felt like a care slave. The grandparents did not behave like the entitled bullies that most of us had experience with.
So, whatever went on back in the Stone Age could probably be said about all humans living in groups.
@JoAnn
The Trail of Tears? Are you even serious right now? That was a planned genocide. It wasn't just the elderly being left behind. It was the kids and anyone else who couldn't keep up. I can't even believe what I'm seeing from this thread.
We’re a predominantly white Christian continent (North America) but we whitewash our own history to justify our actions. It is so much easier to swallow than the truth.
I’m Canadian and our history of First Nations abuses is appalling. All the while I was taught in school (1970s) that we were saving the “savages”. My youngest two have been taught the revised curriculum. It is difficult to believe we once thought that way as a country.
Travel more, learn more, question more.
Sorry my friend, I don't 'white wash' anything and I'll be passing on the 'white guilt' thank you very much.
I take responsibility for MY actions and deeds. Not for things that went down long before I was even born.
It’s painful to think about what happened in the past in Canada and America regarding the abuse of Native Americans.
It’s absolutely disgusting what the Native Americans endured, both children and adults were horribly abused by ‘so called’ Christians.
Parents were lied to and told their children would be educated if they allowed them to attend the Catholic boarding school. Their children were forced to forget their heritage and had unspeakable crimes committed against them.
I am appalled that this went on in your country. Everyone should be made aware of what occurred. It’s extremely difficult to watch the excellent documentaries that have been shown on these devastating events.
I understand how you feel. Sadly, the abuse of children has never stopped. It’s rampant in our country too. It can destroy a person’s faith in organized religion.
I am curious as to what led you to become a death doula.
It must be a fascinating experience for you to do this as your calling.
Is this a field that is growing in popularity or is it more of a specialized area?
I am glad that it is a fulfilling line of work for you.
How do you get most of your clients?