The Caregiver & Dysfunctional Families: How are you doing?

There may not be happiness where your mom lives in her head, and it has been proven over and over again, we can not MAKE anyone else happy.... by you pouring all your energy into an unwilling bucket, you have deprived yourself of your OWN happiness..... hopefully you will find a way to start getting your power back from this very unhappy person.... maybe some counseling for you is in order....I have found myself in the past few days being depressed because I am back to square one with Marie, so your post was a great reminder for me.... had you not shared what was going on with you, I would have spent a weekend being miserable over many things I have no control over.... I can't make Marie happy, she is negative, controlling and downright hateful sometimes... what is being triggered in me is the ole " you are stupid" feelings.... her saying it doesn't make it so.... so thanks again for sharing..... you have helped me today.....
emjo, love ya and miss ya....
cmag hope you and your new theapist are doing some good work.... this job is hard enough without our brains being scattered all over the past....
hugs to everyone...

Jo-- Thank you.. Im gonna try it.. it wont be easy.. because mom is so very consuming.. but I will take your thoughtful advice.. (I truly do appreciate your words).. I'll let ya know later how it went..

(((((((Izabella))))) I don't think for a moment that God is telling you to give in to unhappiness. But maybe He is telling you to stop focussing on trying to make your mum happy. No one is responsible for any one else's happiness - You CAN'T make any one else happy - they can only do that for themselves. I hear that you have tried everythying you can to make her happy and it isn't working. She does sound narcissistic - and what they want is not happiness - they seem to get satisfaction out of misery, hegativity, and complaints, and want everyone's life to revolve around them. It sounds like your life does revolve around your mum. I don't think God gave us each a life to have it revolve around any other person. All those things you have tried to make your mum happy - could you try some of them for yourself - to make yourself happy? Do one positive thing for yourself today and come back and tell us what you did and if it helped to make you happy. Your mum is going to be as miserable as she wants to be, no matter what you do. That's my experience anyway. (((((hugs to you))))))
Izabella does matter!
jo

I have to log on to this site to feel like I matter..to have someone ask me how I am.. I prayed before getting out of bed today that God would bless this day with peace and happiness.. well.. as soon as I opened my bedroom door I knew God once again was not listening.. My moms first words to me were how terrible she slept.. My resonse was are you not feeling well? She says its just everything..(everything meaning she is not happy w/her new life).. I have spent 10months talking and talking to my mom..trying so hard to make her see that at 82 her life is not so horrible.. but my mom has always been a very negetive person and now it is just multiplied that she no longer is in her home doing every aspect of life her way.. I just have no energy left to try to make her happy.. It kills me because she will call my selfish sisters and have a lovely conversation while I get this end of her.. and I pray and pray for God to step in.. he knows more then anyone that I am at my wits end.. but everyday begins the same..and everyday I spend the same... talking and talking.. I have tried taking her to a therapist but she felt he was sarcastic because he asked her "doesn't anything make you happy"?? So..we never went back to him.. I've tried being completly honest w/mom and telling her you had your life at my point to live your life..ect..and she gets it for that day..and she is full of I'm sorry's ect..then the next day..we are back to making mom happy.. My whole house is based upon what kind of mood she is in.. and if I get aggravated then we argue.. and I feel bad because she cries about what her life is ect.. God knows I am out of ideas.. Ive tried finding her a hobby.. she likes nothing.. I believe with all my heart the only thing that would make her happy is if my one sister whom shes always had a soft spot for would move in her home with her.. and since that would never happen because that sister (as the other 3) do not want to be bothered w/her.. So..in reality maybe God is trying to tell me to stop looking for happiness and give in to misery.. I hate to sound so negetive..It is so not me.. but how do you find positive when there is none?? My wishes for everyone dealing w/this lifestyle is to have what I prayed for today.. Peace and Happiness..

I felt much better when caring for my husband I decided it was not my job to make him happy. Burn check your hospitals many have support groups for caregivers if not see if your local library would give you a room say once a month to meet and post it on the bullitin board. I joined one at our hospital and it was amazing. I believe there is payback-it is judgement day -we will have to account for our actions here on earth. In my own life I have seem people who were sitting pretty and were mean to me-and heard years later their perfect lives became very hard-one manager was demoted after I presented things I had written at my exit interview when I left work.

HI all...ok today has been a lil calmer and not so rough except hubby's heart rate went up to 219 and then came down...I believe I will be told he may have congestive heart failure....runs in his family. My daughter and my son need me...so I have to learn to get off the comp and learn to manage relationships with the kids and my husband. I wish that God does payback those who fail to reason and see what is truly going on. I am not sure if the kids will understand all of this or hold it against me. I am tired of screaming and yelling..I am tired of feeling empty. I am tired of the fact that I think I am losing empathy as a mother and a wife on so many levels its scary..How can a person adjust thru this stage in life and make it work but i do...I feel more like fly than angel and less than angel more like a spider waiting to eat the fly...I recently posted on the community page about arranging something for caregivers etc and support grp type deal cuz i know there is more like me in this town if only we can get a companion to sit with the ones we love then maybe it will work. I am mentioning it to my therapist cuz I am tired of not having a real face to face with someone. I am hanging in there...I just do not know if my heart can continue but God still shows me small things...and I like looking forward to those..

Emjo (and anyone else interested)...hubby found the "Screwtape Letters" on Amazon in the electronic books section. I got it for my Kindle, but they may have a version for the computer and/or a hard copy. It also had a "speech" by Screwtape to a graduating class of young demons. Believe this was written a couple years later than the original letters.
Yes, my mother was narcissistic. Once the "light bulb" went on I just thought self-centered and selfish. To the outside world she was helpful, apparently caring and loving. To her family??? My poor dad really had a tough time over the years, because nothing he did suited her idea of what he should do. But to this day, he will not hear a word against her. He was her caretaker right to the very end. Even at a distance I could sense his bewilderment at some of her words and behaviors as she slipped deeper into dementia (probably ALZ). Wish I had known this site during that time, because I might have found some words of encouragement and/or explanation for him.

MarjRob, thanks and I want to add one more aspect of feeling abandoned by God or feeling like God has turned his back on us. Read the psalms and several of them contain statements of aching souls asking the same type of question and see where the psalmist ends up. These same psalms are useful for praying about our feelings of abandonment.

love, hugs and prayers to all and to all a good night!

Thanks, Marj. Your mother is narcissistic? It explains a lot doesn't it? Knowledge can truely be power.

So many have read the Screwtape Letters. Now I am going to have to reread it. - one of my fav books in my early 20s. Where did you find it to download? Don't post an exact URL as it will be deleted.

I love the writings of C.S.Lewis.
Quote "You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."
"Failures are finger posts on the road to achievement."

I found some quotes on detachment - Detach yourselves and take on wings (St. Frances Xavier Cabrini)
He who would be serene and pure needs but one thing, detachment. (Meister Eckhart )

and one very relevant to our topic here

The monsters of our childhood do not fade away, neither are they ever wholly monstrous. But neither, in my experience, do we ever reach a plane of detachment regarding our parents, however wise and old we may become. To pretend otherwise is to cheat. (John le Carre)

I find that detachment like forgiveness, is an ongoing process, not a destination.

Codependency is at the other end of that stick - where the relationship with another (toxic) person becomes more important than getting one's own needs met. ( a simple definition, I know, but one many of us wrestle with, especially in the world of caregiving.)

TDennard -such a very heavy load. There is a young woman with a husband and a 5t yr old on another thread who wrestles with caring for her dad which she shares with her sister. here is no doubt that it cuts into family time seriously, as does the worry of it all.

Izabella - Yes you do matter! Life is not fair. My mum is always concerned about my sis's health, and makes excuses for her, but does not acknowledge that I have health issues, and still expects me to do things for her that I can't. Please do look after yourself as well as possible. You deserve as much care as you give others. God says to love your neighbour as yourself. (not more than) - your neighbour in this case being your mum. What will happen if you stop doing some of the running around - like checking mum's house daily. If it is not necessary, you CAN say NO to her. It is wearing you out trying to meet her every wish. Please consider what you think is responsible - both to her and to yourself. My mother would have me occupied many hours a day - even though she is in another city (her choice) in an ALF - she tries to enmesh me in her every thought, concern, fear etc. One day I was on email with her from 7:30 in the morning to 3 in the afternoon over endless requests, concerns, demands. Once I retired last year, it all escalated and she felt all my time and energy was hers. I was in tears, and my stress levels was way too high from these daily email sessions -up to and over 20 sometimes. I started having PTSD flashbacks to childhood and I knew I had to change something. So I went for counselling and started emotionally detaching, and separating her "narcissistic" crises from the real ones. In fact she hasn't had any "real" crises. I have refused to respond to the narcissistic ones, and they have slowed down. Whether it is narcissim or dementia of some sort, that person should not be the one who is in charge of your time and energy - you should be - making your own assessments of what needs to be done and decisions. Can you cut out the tasks that are unnecessary? Mum may get a bit upset, but I think if you set boundaries and are firm with them, she will likely adapt. You need boundaries for your own health and also the big responsibility of your family and your son's health. Let tomorrow be a new day - and an easier one for you.

Everyone - so good hearing from you - there is no doubt that sharing this journey makes it more bearable.
love. hugs and prayers ♥♥♥
jo

MarjRob, I'm so glad that you've reread "Screwtape Letters" before going to the play. You're going to be amazed that the play is the book - word for word from what I could remember. Please let me know what you thought.

CMagnum...interesting that you should mention the Screwtape Letters. I read them many years ago and never heard of them until just a few weeks ago when our church began getting a group together to go and see the play...tomorrow! So I downloaded them and read them again the last few weeks. How amazing that something written in 1941 could still be so true in today's world. I also like your explanations about why so many of us feel so alone at times in our lives....mostly because of other people, not because God has left us. Lots of encouragement there. Thank you.
Emjo, glad to see you back...I have so enjoyed your postings on Jam's thread about how we caregivers are feeling today. And I finally have a name for my mother's behavior all the years I was growing up and beyond. I had been married for over 20 years (during which time I had not lived closer than 300 miles, often much further)when with the help of a 12-step recovery program and a good counselor I finally realized I was NOT at fault when she was displeased with what was happening around her and it was NOT my responsibility to make things better for her. My attitude and life in general became more positive after that! Not all issues have been resolved 20+ years more and 2 years after her passing, maybe never will be, but I can live with that.
Hugs and prayers for all those who are involved in the exhausting quagmire of 24/7 care of loved ones. This site and especially some of the threads can supply information and a place to vent. Relief!

Izabella I am so sorry for all you are going through and I am so glad that you are getting some strength from this thread.Cmagnum is amazing I know him from another thread and I was so glad he started this one-it is hard enough to be a caregiver but comming from a dysfunucal family makes it worse. Your sister's RA can be managed quite well these days and that should not stop her from steping up to the plate and helping. Keep comming back here -this is a safe place-AC saved my sanity years ago when I was in the black hole of caregiving.

TDennard--- I was also in your situation at the beginning of this new way of life.. and I did not have anyone but me to my moms.. well that was not only getting the best of me but also my husband/kids suffered.. so thats when we decided to move her in w/us.. Now.. I am not saying I don't miss my home the way it use to be.. because since my mom moved in it is now totally different.. but your added advantage is you do have your sister who cares for her during the day.. so maybe your sister can come and pick her up ect.. to free you and your family up a bit.. taking care of two households is so mentally wearing.. My moms house is not sold (thats also all up to me).. so she is emotionally tied to "her" house..therefore she has me running there to check on it daily.. she will see a home fire on the news and right away she thinks her house is going to burn down.. Its makin me nuts.. so I can relate to your torn emotional state.. but it sounds like you are working w/your sister in this battle.. so maybe between the two of you a move for your mom is what is needed.. I wish you the best.. Cmagnum--- Thank You.. I do often forget God is even around.. I seem to be angry all the time..(not at my mom) I know some of her ways she cannot control.. the same questions over and over..the counting of her pills every hr..ect..and although those things wear on me..I deal w/it.. my anger is at my families non-caring.. we found out my one sister is sick.. and my mom and my aunt were crying about her being sick(it's not life threatning).. and I will admit I am pissed about their reaction.. I have to have another surgery..my son may need brain surgery and throughout my battle w/breast cancer I've been caring the whole load w/my mom.. her well being..her house.. all of her.. and no one other then my husband/kids and dogs care..let alone shed a tear.. I've prayed more these 9 months then I ever have.. but last night I was so tired I actually felt sick.. and it scared me..because I know it's all stress.. and I heard my mom crying.. so I got up to check on her.. and she said she was crying over my sister being sick because she is so young.. I'm ten yrs younger then her!! (my sister has RA).. I calmed her down..as I always do.. and I went back to bed and asked God.. do I even matter?? My only purpose here is to take care of everyone else.. and I push all my feelings under the rug.. I dont want to be bitter.. but I am.. I also found out I have sever nerve damage in my leg from failed back surgeries.. and no tears have ever been shed for me.. Burned.. I feel your pain.. and it is an overwhelming pain I know.. Cmagnum has help me as this whole site has. words are very powerful.. the saying "actions speak louder then words" this site has proven that saying so wrong!!.. the words of support I read on here gives me some very needed strength.. I hope everyone finds the same strenth from our "friends" on here..

In talking to friends, I've found that many of us had a "less than healthy" family-of-origin situation. And most of my friends, just as I did, moved away from the family as young adults. Then, thankfully, most of us went on to make productive, happy lives (with some speed bumps in the road). And now here we are at the age where we're called on to care for family members and the issues we moved away from are right back at our doorsteps. Deal with them now or deal with them later.

I just signed up for a "Hope for the Heart" seminar in June on dealing with Dysfunctional Families. I think just me and my friends will end up filling the room. :)

If exhaustion from dealing with the family member's needs don't consume you, then there are the emotional issues that will drown you if you let them. I hope to have these things untangled before my mom is gone.

Cmagnum, a few months ago I got to see the play "Screwtape Letters" (one of my favorite books). The lead actor had memorized the entire book - it was amazing. We loved the play. So much truth packed in so few pages.

Tdennard, my heart goes out to you. You sound so tired. And it is so hard to get perspective that will lead to solutions when you're exhausted. There is much wise counsel on this site.

Cmagum You really know your Bible it is refreshing to read what you write.We studied The Screwtape Letters at our Wed night meetings at church. O ur pastor had R.C.Sprol for a teacher at Seminary.

TDennard2601, welcome to this thread!

I've got some ideas and some questions. It would help us if you filled in your profile with more details like information about the other two disabled relatives. What are their ages and health challenges?

Does your mother and the other two relatives whom I assume live in the same house have any means to help pay for some daytime care? Or would it be possible for you and your sister to contribute to some day time care? If so, then it would be possible for you and your sister to alternate nights as well as the weekends.

What kinds of ideas have you and your husband discussed as possibilities? What ideas has your sister and her husband talked about to deal with this? Sounds like the only way for all four of ya'll to talk at one time for a family meeting would be a conference telephone call which maybe you have already done.

Your mother sounds like she would be readier for assisted living than for a nursing home. Between you and your sister who has Durable and Medical POA for your mother? Who has these POAs of the other two relatives?

It sounds like the candle is being burnt at each end and are not far from meeting in the middle which will be burnout.

I wish that I had more ideas than this and I'm sure others on this thread will have more input for you.

Please keep in touch to see what others will have to suggest and to let us how you are doing.

If there's anyone out there who has answers to this, please let me know. How do you maintain your own family when you're a caregiver living between two homes? I have a husband and two teenage children. They see me for maybe 30 minutes each night when I come home from work and have to run over to my mom's to relieve my sister (who cares for her during the day, along with two other disabled relatives). I work the night shift, and by the way, agencies don't pay for overnight care, to my knowledge. My mom's stroke caused her sight to be impaired on the left side. Other than that, she's functional. However, we still have to be there to cook, clean, drive her places, etc. I work during the day and care for mom and her household at night. My sister and I alternate weekends. Private care is very expensive and with just the two of us, we're about to hit a wall in our emotions because we don't get a chance to see our families very much. Is there anyone out there that can give any advice.

Hopeful

(((((((burned))))))) -glad you have a therapist to help you through this. Cats are great companions. Dreams are good - hang onto yours..I am sorry you are at the end of your tether. You have a huge load to carry, with young children and a very ill husband, and no support from family. Sending love and cyber support - some days we just have to hang in there ((((((((hugs)))))))
jo

today has been a real rough one for me and again I came close to flying off real bad but then I remember my place and my children. I see a therapist and I have a place to vent it out so I do not cause damage to the ones I love. Sometimes I wish it was all a dream that my past was what it was but I can only change the future...I just find myself lacking empathy most of the time and tuning all out. I am just glad my sister will never see how bad from my perspective what it is like to constantly forgive and let go.I do my best to not please ppl but do what is right and right now my only friends in the world are few and my children and husband...especially my cat...she is there and she loves to play but it does get emotionally tense in this house at times. If I had my way my kids will be married and i be vacationing somewhere exotic...somewhere my introverted self can become like a hermit....become ObiWan Kenobi ....one of the exiled Jedi....how wish I had the power to be neutral and fight for good ..I am sorry I am just near tears...this has been one of my worst out of control days ever...I need to find a way to bring peace to this house and soon...

Sometimes, we think God has turned his back on us because we don't 'fee his presence' like we once did. In the book, Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis are several stories of temptation. One story is about getting the Christian to focus their faith on their feeling that God is with them and keep them so focused in that direction, that when they hit seasons of not 'feeling God's presence' they wonder where God has gone and if they are a Christian anymore. Experiences of God's presence are great and bring about strong religious feelings, but the foundation of our faith in God is not based on experiences or upon feelings, but upon the Word of God which promises he will never leave or forsake us.

Sometimes, we think God has abandoned us because of being hurt so much by harmful people to the point that bitterness begins to take root in our hearts. The arrows of those experiences become the means by which we are tempted to think that God has turned his back on us because of so much tragedy in our lives. However, in the NT we are told that Jesus fully identified himself with our human experience and is our compassionate savior to help us in our time of need. In such times when others have hurt us a lot it is difficult to be angry yet not sin, but that is where prayer and forgiveness comes in. In such a situation forgiveness does not mean forgetting the experiences as if they never took place (which is not possible nor healthy), but it means to take the person off of your hook and put them on God's hook which means leaving vengeance in the hands of God.

Barnacles are like the tragedies of life.
On a wooden ship they destroy its life.
Those who run into them are diced.
Barnacles can shipwreck your or another’s life.

Ever hear that hurt people, hurt people too?
How can this not be true of me and you.

Difficult to do in the middle and after a painful crisis.
Refuse to feel the pain and anger of being diced.
End up numb and dumb just like ice.

To forever nurse the pain,
Leads to never being free to love again.

We cannot chose to be or not to be hurt by the barnacle like tragedies and people in life.
However, we can chose not to let those experiences make us like a barnacle in another’s life.

To be or not to be a barnacle is the question for tonight.
To feel hurt and anger, but sin not is a difficult fight.

However, it is the biblical way to a better day.
Yet holding on to it and nursing it digs a dark and dreary day.

People, we do this as if it will somehow accomplish something.
But honestly, that choice accomplishes nothing

Sometimes we feel like God has turned his back on us when we make the mistake of confusing the Christian life with the American dream or some unhealthy view of faith.


Path Through Tragic Pain
Based on the book Tragic Redemption by Hiram Johnson

God’s solution for crushing tragedy
is not an offer of a miraculous remedy.

God offers not a formula to eliminate or insulate,
Instead God calls us on the path to participate.

God’s grace transforming our places of humiliation,
such is the journey of tragic redemption.

Wise words, pure and true, meant as a healing too1,
used wrongly are just cruel.

‘What ifs’ only chain us to the past.
Blame games brings healing which does not last.

Naive expectations seek for faith to work like magic.
Yet, by faith we walk through the tragic.

Various addictions help excuse our real condition.
They block the way for helpful consolation.

Tragic pain easily becomes fused into a sick self-identification.
A calloused soul greatly needing tragic redemption.

Tragic feelings deep and real are not the center of the universe,
‘No one knows the trouble I’ve seen’ needs another verse.

Other’s tragedies might not be as bad.
While some are far worse than what we had.

Sucking others into our misery,
creates a path to further insanity.

Locked in by self centered rage,
like a wild animal in a cage.

Bitterness creates an illusion of security and control.
Yet, it will not make one whole.

Sometimes, when we feel that God has turned his back on us, it is because the pain in our lives drives us to ask the question why God allows suffering and evil in the world. It is the result of God taking the risk in giving people free will. We can suffer because of wrong choices that we make and we can suffer because of the wrong choices that others make which impact our life.

I hope what I've shared here is helpful.

May God bless all of you handling the burden of caring for loved ones alone-you are not alone-here you will get those who understand and get it.

Izabella, welcome to this thread! I remember reading your story on the "stress getting the best of you" thread. I hope you will return and share some more. I hope you will tell us why you feel that God has abandoned you. This is not an uncommon feeling when we are under a lot of stress and burned out.

cmag.. I saw this thread and had to re-read it again..could not believe how it is so my situation.. I said to my husband the other day.. I've never had anyone ask me "how are you dealin with all"?? .. I have three sisters and they have choosen not to help w/our mom.. the stress and the emotional toll it takes is just too much for them.. so I have choosen to never-ever speak to them again.. I would never desert them if all was reversed and mom was living w/one of them.. I have posted my story on the "stress getting the best of you" thread..and honestly it helped me to have someone to just talk to that truly understands how caring for our parents takes so much.. I seem to cry everyday.. from saddness..fustration..anger(at my screwed up family).. I feel very alone in this battle.. My mom use to being independent..so now living w/me is not an easy adjustment..plus she has confusion issues..and some health issues.. so I take care of er 24/7..no break..no help.. I recently had an mastectomy and am due for another surgery..and I havnt had time to fully absorb my own emotions.. I am so hurt..and so amazed that my whole family has turned their back on me.. I never thought they would do this when I need them the most.. I send prayers..to everyone who is in my situation.. all I do is talk to God.. sometimes I do feel he has also turned his back on me ..

As Erma Bromback saie normel is a setting on a washing machine. This thread is a blessing so many of us are products of dysfunctional families-accepting that you are not the problem and you can not fix them -only yourself and when you change the situation may get worse and many go from a bad family into a bad marriage-when I finally learned that I did not deserve the treatment I was gett ing from the husband that was the day he lost his power over me but when he was dieding and in and out of being responsive I was the only one he would not respond to by opening his eyes or trying to talk to-I must have blanked it out for about 6 months then it came back to me and that night I took off my rings and never put them back on-I think he needed to punish me one more time. I had thought he might want to ask for forgiveness for his bad behavior but he did not do that for me.

(((((hugs)))))) to all here. I have been MIA with the tail end of this bug which made me soooo sleepy.
austin - I am so glad you now know you are not alone and that you talked with your sis. There are lots of us here coping with dysfunctional families, narcissitic mums or dads, unhelpful and even toxic siblings. On top of that our parents are aging and have more needs than they had. Coming from dysfunctional families, we have our own "baggage" to deal with as well as current problems. It is a very heavy load and there are traps we fall into such as ending up with our own health issues as we have put the needs and sometimes the whims of others before looking after ourself.
I have learned this the hard way and will not put myself in that position again. My mother is narcissistic and has a personality disorder which made my life living h*ll at times. Dysfunctional families tend to have the "golden" child who can do no wrong, and the "black sheep/servant child (ren) who are expected to take all abuse and do the work. They manipulate through fear, obligation and guilt.(FOG).
The those of us from dysfunctional famillies tend to make marriages with the same problems - I did - and so it goes. It is so important to heal from the past even while caregiving in the present - important but very difficult.
burned - glad to see you here -you are such a fighter and have drawn some great boundaries. Hope you get relief for the migraines. Writing a letter to your mum is to get your feelings out - not to give it to her - just trash it afterwards
marj -so glad it worked out that you and sis started communicating and are in a better relationship now
wish that was always the case - my sis is more toxic than my mum, has dollar signs in her eyes ( my mother's description) and thinks nothing of blasting me and telling me she never wants to have anything more to do with me, then pretending it never happened and telling mother that I am in a funny mood again! So then I get it from mother. I refuse to play those games any more.
notlike -it still does hurt - I see such a difference between those who had "normal" upbringings who are able to deal with Alz in their parents and recognize that the disease has robbed them and changed their personality, as compared to those of us who have toxic families, are still dealing and hurting from the "poison of the past" and also have new challenges with parent's declining health.
jacs -what a challenging situation. Can you call the authorities where your mum is and ask them to look into her situation. It must be very worrying for you
elizabethgrace - detaching is difficult especially as you are facing problems ongoing, glad your bro is some help and you are getting some peace
soverytired -you are right - many of us are the family scapegoats and we need to shed the blame and guilt - it takes lots pfwork to do that I have found
jessiebelle -that is wonderful being able to let the anger go - even for a short while - high 5 to you. You must be healing from the past. I am getting closer to that as I detach and more and nore redognize that not only the aging problems,but the personality disorder and narcissism that has affected our family so much is a "disease" and maybe that the the best mother can do. Not that it means I have to throw myself under the oncoming train - I don't - and I need to protect myself from this disease as much as if she had a contagious bug. It is not an easy balance -

well that is my novel for now
hope everyone has a good day
love, hugs and prayers ♥♥♥
jo

I just finished reading all the above posts and I think this will be a great help to me-now I know that the role Mom is playing is not at all unusual and my childhood is about the same as most of you all here. Cmagnum I am so glad about the results of your wife's test and am very glad you started this thread-I do not feel so alone now after reading what others have written.

My mom doesn't get involved with fights...funny thing is my sister is on point about us owing her money when we owe her nothing....its the fact of the matter she has no empathy for anyone except for herself....none of her girls are old enough to be married yet either but her excuse is no money when I know very well she uses her husband's uncle's ssdi money illegally and get away with it but since I have no proof I can't take it to the authorities. The day I left to move to Az 6 months later they abandoned a house that was given to them in bad shape...would not fix it..I get a letter from Indiana saying I owe property taxes. I called and straighten it out and told them I was renting from her then i did not have the title or own the house. The list goes on....every time I ask to have my dress sent back she says she has no money...she would have money if she learned to be more financially smart but I am not her...so either way it will be a tussle but I will find a way....if she starts charging me a storage fee my dress then I will be pissed should of been mailed long time ago....Mom is too busy with our grandfather and dealing with his doctors to get into a tiff about it but will see but i doubt it most likely ill be told talk to her....that is how my parents are...

Just tell her you want it back since your mother made it for you and it is yours-it probably will cause a row but she should have had it cleaned and returned right after she wore it-maybe your Mom can ask her to return it to you.

I have thought of writing a letter to my mom to express how I feel but i think that excerise would be empty and my sister ( my twin) she cares about money money money if any of you heard of that Pink Floyd song. Well that is my sister...i do not care about the money but I have to remove her as beneficiary from his life insurance policies..she will never raise my kids ...omg the serious competitive edge she has drives me up the wall tg she doesnt call me everyday tg for that but i still want my wedding dress back...I do not want her daughter's wearing and I am afraid its going to be ruin a beautiful dress my mom made for me on my wedding day...how do i get her to send it to me ...any suggestions without causing another big row...

Marj you are so right on my Mom complains to me about my sister and BIL-I never respond. My sister and I really talked last fall and she did not know much what really went on with me and Mom because she was a baby boomer and I was a WW2 kid-7 years older-now adays a mother would be aressested let a 7 yr. old care for a baby with a bleeding problem and at 9 caring for a 2yr. old and a baby and expected to do all the house cleaning to boot by herself and being alone at home. My sister told me she did not know how I could even spend time with our mother now. Once a number of years ago my mother said to my aunt in front of me I guess I was a good mother you kids turned out well-my mouth fell open. My stuborness and wanting to surive and get away from home got me through.