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Great answer, BarbBrooklyn.
I work in a forensic setting and can say that our work humor is something that others would not get.
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I think it would be appropriate and charitable to post on the NP's public FB site that she should consider the fact that her posts can be seen by the public. The public of course includes not only family members and friends of the NH's residents, but her employers, and quite possibly the residents themselves.

I would guess that the vast majority even of those interested people would appreciate and wryly smile at the joke* which she posted. But others might not be in the mood, and she would do better to keep private exchanges of in-jokes private.

*The joke, by the way, targets the cynicism of the nursing home industry. It does not condone indifference to residents' hopes and fears, quite the opposite.
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Hi ,
I know two cops , a few nurses , a mortician and a psychiatrist. Every last one of them have a super dark sense of humour and a pragmatic attitude to the nature of their job. The mortician is the most respectful of them all , I suppose because he truly feels that he is honoured with sending other's loved ones off for the last time but the others ? Well ...they joke to cope . Some of them are quite frankly , very depressed . Imagine what they see and deal with every day and understand that gallows humour is the only way for some people to keep going and doing their job. It is a bit callous but it doesn't mean they don't care about the people they help and deal with every day . It doesn't mean they don't feel pain at every loss and death they see. They do see a lot of death .
I understand how upset you would feel seeing that comment on fb, but that joke truly tells us what happens when a patient dies , the bed is cleared and made ready for another. That's it . That's reality.
My mom and I have had a running" Shady Pines , ma !"( Golden Girls ) joke for years, that doesn't mean that I would ever send her to a nursing home , EVER , because I won't. It's a joke .
Focus on how your mom is doing. See her demeanour and if she's bruised or incoherent and drugged or unhappy when you visit . Those are the red flags , not an observation on a Facebook page .
You seem like a sweet person who just loves their mom so keep doing that . I tell you , if you sat with a nurse or a cop and listened to their serious stories you'd never want to hear them again . So, Good luck with your mom and stay positive .
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Honestly I’m not bothered by this either, and am actually seeing this more as, if not so called gallows humor, then venting, to a sarcastic degree, by someone in a very difficult profession. That said, only you and your family know what’s best for you and your loved one, in home care, even under the best circumstances is an extreme
challenge so try to give yourself some time to think this through, especially if your LO is settling in. At most, possibly talk with your NH contacts. Emotions are on overload right now so give yourself some time. Hugs.
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The comments remind me of a statement a friend made: Nobody wants to be 100 until they are 99.

Similarly, nobody sees the problem with this NP’s “joke” until they are in the NH themselves.

I agree with Ebmick1973 that the NP’s joke was inappropriate and unprofessional and should NOT be on FB. We all have jokes about the work that we do, but we keep them to ourselves, especially if we work in the profession and setting where death, dying, and sorrow are common.

I’d print the FB “joke” and give it to the NP’s employer.
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Ebmick 1973 blessing morning.
Yes that could’ve been a little bit disturbing but why are you going on Twitter to investigate the staff/team on your mother. I didn’t find that to defensive but I’m more than sure there is a work code of ethics about patient’s private information known as HIPPA. First of all she didn’t mention any names of staff or residence. I realize people don’t think before they do I feel that you need to address this to the director of the nursing home. This is no reason to withdraw mother out of this nursing home, or why you placed her in the first place. You are your mothers advocate and you must advocate you are the voice so you step up to the plate and address it nursing home will do their investigation. Make sure you ask for feedback. Don’t fear they stay strong . Are you ready to receive mother back home with you are you physically and mentally prepared to deal with her actions. Remember why you Place her in the first place . Stop and think for us it’s wonderful she is safe.
Feed three times a day, medications taken bath and showered activities. You must see to that this is continued. But all’s well only you can make that decision if you want to take your mother back home talk to your family members first make sure you have the support/help there’s nothing better than a mothers love but safety is first.
They’ll be a lot of decisions at the nursing home you have to keep your eyes open and stay off the Twitter nothing but a gossip area that really doesn’t define a lot it’s gossip and put bad decisions in your mind. Signing off Brown, Sugar
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Really? Have you ever heard the jokes and comments in a hospital? We'd all like to think we wouldn't "be that way" if we worked in these medical/service positions, but these jobs can get to the best of us and dark humor is often a source of release. And if the truth be told, there is not just a kernel of truth to the joke she posted.

If you're that concerned, contact the NP via her page or privately and tell her the joke bothered you. Be ready, though, she'll probably then make her page private and you won't see anything.

Transition to a NH environment is usually a source of angst and confusion for everyone involved. The real tell will be how your mother is doing after a period of settling in, not someone's joke on their FB page.
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I think everyone posting here has said it all. Now my dear for you....as a nurse you know the care your mother needs and will continue to need as she progresses will be difficult in your home. Whatever your decision is, the guilt serves no purposes except to verbally say to others "I'm not such a bad person, really". Those of us who have walked in your shoes and placed a loved one in a NH, know it's not easy but also know that it’s for the best. I could have never given my dad the care he needed and my sister who is a RN/GNP felt the same way. Guilt? No...I did nothing to feel guilty for. Do I wish he hadn’t needed that level of care?...yes, but I had to think with my head and not my heart. All I could do was be his advocate...which I was plenty of times and visit him as I could. So please place the guilt aside and realize we all want our LO life to be a perfect ending and that is normal, but it's just not usual.
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No, this would not bother me. And please don’t get that NP in trouble by printing FB page and giving to her employer as someone suggested. (For all you know it could be a well known joke amongst all the workers there including her supervisor). All industries have their sometimes unique sense of humor and remember basically what she said is true. It may sound cruel, but that’s what hospitals and nursing homes do...get the bed ready for the next patient. It is no reflection on the care your mom gets. Take a deep breath. Breathe in, breathe out.
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I understand your guilt - I think a lot of us have been there. I placed mom in an assisted living facility when she began to need 24 hour care. It was a beautiful facility - the nicest place she had ever lived! Turns out, she loved it! She made friends easily, participated in the activities and loved being "doted on". Her kids visited more frequently than when she was in her home. Take a deep breath - this might turn out great.
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The sad fact of life is that hospitals, nursing homes, and all healthcare facilities are in business for the 💰💰💰. Truth be told, when a patient dies in a facility, the goal of administration is to fill the bed ASAP. None of us are immune to the hard core fact that all healthcare facilities strive to keep the beds WARM at all times, and want to quickly get the deceased person out of the room, so another (paying) person can resume their financial bottom line...it's a constantly revolving door. I feel like the post from the NP was simply stating this, and did it in a very tactful way.
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I recently had a conversation with a former NH social worker and was shocked when she said that out of 120 residents, about 100 would die each year. I couldn't imagine having a job like that because I know I'd get attached to more than a few of the residents and would grieve everytime one would die. I suspect anyone in a position like that must need to develop a way to cope or a thick skin as a means of self-preservation. That doesn't condone this NPs posting a public comment which was offensive to you (and probably others) - it was insensitive. But, as others have said, monitor how your Mom is treated and if she seems happy. You probably know her better than anyone and can tell from a short conversation how she's feeling and if she's safe and comfortable.

If you feel OK about contacting the NP and telling her that you found her FB post offensive, do that as well. It's probably the only way she'll realize it was hurtful.
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It's pretty tame compared to the gallows humor I've heard from cops, doctors, and nurses. It's also not very funny. I'm more concerned about the terrible sense of humor...
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Why would this upset you? That’s exactly what we do, even in the hospital. She said nothing derogatory so don’t deliberately stir up trouble for the RNP who was just posting unless you want to have to pay for a private duty person.
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The NP was stating a FACT and then said she didn't agree with it. She/He sounds very compassionate.
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Be glad she can read and write English. In many parts of the country, that would not be guaranteed among the members of the care team.

Pick your battles--this is probably not the most important. Be alert what happens when you express concerns to staff at the facility--what is their first reaction? If their first reaction is to deny, to blame someone else, to say they can't, to say there's not enough staff--that's a red flag.
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This is a hard truth. She doesn't agree with the statement. If mom is being treated well, let it go.
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My husband owns two businesses and always checks social media before even scheduling interviews. Social media outlets can be very telling.

However, I think what the NP posted was pretty tame. I was in social work for a number of years... working with medical teams and law enforcement. Many of these professionals have an edge to them. They see “reality” on an hourly basis. I think when we are in high stress modes, comments like the NP’s affect us differently. The majority of the professionals are compassionate or they would not be in this field.

However, they have to develop coping mechanisms...humor...matter of fact speech, a level of detachment or they would constantly be falling apart on the job and become unable to help/care for the sick and vulnerable. I understand and respect your feelings. Personally, I would not post any work related content for all to see. Consider using a filtering lens to interpret what others say. When we are dealing with multiple stressors... it is easy to interpret as coldness or personal offense.
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This posting, like some of the others, doesn't enable responses to comments, although I don't know the reason why. However, I'd like to offer the following:

1) Many years ago, I had a room in a house shared by others, and a fellow in another room had been a medic in Viet Nam. He mentioned how much he liked the show MASH, because, as he put it, the humor on the show was EXACTLY like what he experienced in Viet Nam.

2) My father was in the hotel business, and he used to say that a night in a hotel room was a "perishable item" somewhat like fresh produce because if that room remained empty the previous night, there is nothing that could make up for it--the next night was a completely different "product" in its own right. It's the same with a bed in a nursing home--any night during which a bed is unoccupied represents a lost opportunity to bring in revenue, and as others have said, a nursing home--whether "non-profit" or "for profit" is a business and needs to operate as such.

3) We can be certain that ebmick1953 will be sure to use more discretion during her own career than the person who posted on Facebook!
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"jacobsonbob," - I just noticed the same thing - it's been moved to the Discussion Thread!
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Thanks, NobodyGetsIt!
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"Sunnydayze," - Excellent comments! Everything you said was spot on!
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Why is this bad? It is the absolute truth. Why wouldn't they be allowed to say this when they were asked a question. Makes perfect sense to me. It is being realistic and honest.
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Since posting my original comment on September 3rd, I have finally had a chance to read almost all of the other comments and I must say you all have given such great thoughts and insight for "ebmick1973," and any of the rest of us who have dealt with a similar issue or who may deal with it in the future. Great words of the "reality" of it all. For those of us who have never been in the professional fields mentioned such as myself, it gave me the ability to put myself in their shoes to understand the "whys" behind what may seem as a lack of caring etc. You are all right and I felt I got a huge take away from each and everyone of you who shared their own experiences as someone either in those fields or just by witnessing it yourself with your own loved ones. Thank you!
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Most of my thoughts have been said I think but I would like to add two more thoughts, first it is possible this NP thought she was posting to a private group or something she belongs to rather than her public page or that she is unaware her page is public (with overhauls FB makes I know other who thought their pages were set to private found they suddenly weren’t as private). I realize your immediate concern was more about what she was thinking though rather than whether or not she was saying it publicly or privately and I hear you but maybe it’s a good thing she allows herself an outlet for her frustrations both with the system and the things she deals with regularly, it must be hard for the staff to come on shift and have every trace of a patient or even multiple patient’s gone when they start the next one and I imagine that has only gotten harder with COVID since they are often the only human emotional life line their patients have. I would rather she get those out In a healthier way, participating in bad jokes with her peers than at work with her patients. I think we all, no matter how much we love our jobs, have times of total frustration with something about them and blow off steam by complaining to friends and colleagues, even making off handed or heated comments but that doesn’t mean we don’t still love our careers and like our jobs. It might be better that this NP gets her emotions out this way rather than pent up and bursting out while with her patients, all be it probably not the wisest doing it on FB out in public.

Many if us do it here all the time, complain about cleaning up messes or being the brunt of a loved ones wrath and dementia, make inside jokes to add some levity but none of that means we don’t love and care for that loved one, in fact often we do in an effort to continue doing just that either by looking for helpful ideas and information or simply venting to others who have been in the same place. Would I pick FB to have the discussions we have here? No but I grew up without social media.

Give yourself a break ebmick1973, try not to find guilt in the personal pain of doing what you know is safest and best for Mom’s health as well as her families. Try to find optimism, positives in the bumps that present to you rather than confirmation that you are doing the wrong thing. My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
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This is dark humor no doubt, and a sad reflection on the fact that sadly as so many things in life, it comes down to the $$$. Empty beds don't generate funds. Also they probably have to have so many NP's (and do you mean nurse practitioner or Nurse ASSISTANT? (NA) Plus, actually....she noted that it was "so wrong." But she's acknowledging the reality. I wouldn't be as upset about this as many other things I have seen in re to former co-workers (things that were racist and worse and we work in a public agency serving all people). We were looking to hire privately for my mom. I did not realize that private hire companies were not REQUIRED to do background checks, but could. Before we had this person start I googled around...found out she had multiple driving offenses...and we had anticipated her driving mom to lunch, shop. And still the owner of the company did do a background check at my request and as much as she was a piece of slime, she was honest enough to claim the aide had taken the rap for trashing an apartment shared with her sister. You can imagine the level of damages if the landlord took them to court...When I asked the owner if she would be comfortable having this aide take care of her OWN mother, she responded YES. I told her her standards were far lower than my own and we were done doing business (in fact I'd not given her, fortunately, one dime thus far). As they say...it's hard to find good people to help. Good luck...and yes...personal lives are just that...but I believe it reflects on the person and you have every right to be comfortable.
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Nothing insensitive, unsettling, nor untruthful about the statement, which pertains to the business operations.
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A nurse practitioner made a comment. She then said -Her own comment at the top was "This is so wrong, but when you work in a nursing home". I dont think its bad. It could have been its business as usual. Maybe she wanted to grieve perhaps? Or the comment is that all there is?? Maybe she liked that resident and felt hollow, that its money money money. But then again should they leave the room empty? For how long? A day, a week, a year? What should they do?

Maybe some other family is desperate for help. Can't work full time, and take care of a loved one full time, and a family too. Its extremely stressful. The bed is a godsend to them.

Maybe the np had off for the weekend and then came back.. The resident died and was replaced. Very jarring I bet. She might have taken care of them for years.

You can't really know what she was thinking. Its a fact of life unfortunately. It might not have been disrespectful at all. Maybe she missed the last person. Its her job. She doesn't really get tome to grieve like the family would. She has to keep working.
I don't think it was bad. Just venting. She has a right to. Its not an easy job.
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i am assuming she is a nurse practitioner so she is a professional and that was extremely poor taste for a professional. That being said that content would not make me feel uncomfortable with her care, previous professional complaints in her record and or law suits would.
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CNAs are just so overworked, promised big money, and then paid less-- no wonder they get jaded and act bitter and childish. SO-- if it is so prevalent in the industry-- why not NPs-- ? SO MANY large companies -- assisted livings are based out of state-- and when you check their numbers--- such as only 60% full-- then think why the place only has so many CNAs and fewer head nurses. IT IS a business. AS IS hospice... so welcome to the world of older folks who are the most vulnerable.
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