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When you need to be understood try this method. Say one sentence at a time with no more than 10 -15 words in it and then stop. Wait for a response. Then the next sentence. previous comments are spot on never talk about more than thing at a time. People with dementia cannot process this at all. When i talk to mum I always say what I need to then check she has understood. imagine you are talking to someone who only just understands English. if you rattle off words like gunfire then this happens - If you are lucky they will hear iamgoingtotheshoptodaydoyouwantanythingwhileiamthere
and it is utterly meaningless. Bear in mind too that hearing is susbstantially diminished as we age so the iamgoingtotheshoptodaydoyouwantanythingwhileiamthere becomes iaingtotheshdaydoyouanythingwhileithere and is just a jumble to them so take a deep breath and then speak as if he has said pardon 4 times. You will naturally HAVE to slow down because if not he will either switch off or he will say pardon 4 times!
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i will record and listen. He is the most confused when I leave as he does not remember at times that I do not live where he does.
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57 twin have you listened to yourself? Try recording something then play it back. then repeat deliberately slowing down then figure out how you slowed yourself. Can you talk in short sentences and pause to take a deep breath and let your words sink in. I believe older people listen more slowly as well. Long words are also more difficult to take in because they have to stop their brain, that is stop listening to remember what that word means after that they have not even heard the next few words. One on one as with your father try and make the pauses longer so he can take everything in and ask questions. Think of it like tennis practice with an automatic ball thrower. You do fine with one ball, you calculate where it is likey to go and position yourself to return it but if multiple balls fly at you you have no chance of picking one out of the crowd to hit back. Maybe even stop every few sentences and ask a question so your father can process what you have just told him. "Dad I am going to put brown mulch on the front flower beds I will buy ten bags from Sears because they will deliver it and the delivery cost is free. Mrs Gregson next door got the black stuff from the nursery and I think they are rip off artists besides the nursery only had the black and I prefer the brown. What do you think Dad?" "Err what?" With all that information flooding in he has no time to figure out what you want to know. You may actually be wanting to know if he would agree with putting brown mulch on the flower beds, but he might only hear you think the nursery prices are a rip off and just answer "Yes I agree" so off you go and order the mulch and what he prefers is the cedar and then you are upset because he does not like the nice brown mulch you spent all afternoon spreading around. So I would say in simple terms, slow down and keep it simple. think of it anpother way you go to church and the sermon is entitled "The ten commandments" and the minister start of by saying you will be following the ten comandments for the next ten weeks. he stats off by saying he is not going to take them in order but start with the 6th which of course you don't remember and he neglects to tell you which book of the bible you will find them in. After that he goes on at great length about not obeying Gods word. At the end of 15 minutes he repeats the exact words of the 6th comandment and you can finally make sense of what you can remember he said. When you get home of course you will dust off the bible and and put it on the hall table so you don't forget it next Sunday and put a book mark in the relevent chapter, but you have already forgotten what he said today because he garbled the information. You shook his hand warmly as you left the chuch and remarked what an enlightening sermon it was to day. If he had warned you the previous week that this was going to be his theme and you should bring your bibles and read the relevent passages before Sunday you could have understood a lot more.
Now with full disclosure I am not a regular churchgoer and can not tell you where to find the ten commandments but with enough warning could find out and have opinions in my mind before the sermon began.
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I do have a question. With dementia/alz my dad processes information slower. Problem is I am one of those fast talkers with a lot of info to pass on.
I need to slow down so dad can understand but need advice on how to do so as I believe I confuse him a lot.
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I gave a presentation today at dads AL about the Chicago Flower show as many used to be avid gardeners. Brought some herb plants they could rub and smell. Went well! Showed alspy garden photos and cats pictures as well.
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Thanks Country Mouse. I just called mom's sitter and asked her if she could come for the day - sadly she can not but she told me she will come over for a few hours this evening. I live in an extremely rural area and can't find caregivers willing to travel out this far so I only have the one sitter - she has zero experience and really isn't qualified to handle mom's care but she is close and is willing to help when she can. Unfortunately she works a few jobs and has a family to care for - so her availability is really limited. I DO have 6 sisters - but they refuse to help. :(
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Trying, call someone - could your GP arrange temporary cover for you urgently? Even if it's only a few hours at least it would give you a breathing space. Wish you better, hugs (if they don't hurt).
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I hurt from head to toe and just want to crawl into bed and never get out again. I have fibromyalgia and am in a horrible flare. Even my clothes are hurting me. 24/7 caregiving is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. I think mom is going to outlive me.
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my brother is suppose to come home today tank God for the DIL she is able to give me the right info of what is happening I have to go over and put sheets on the bed-you heard it right-I thought I was letting the aide in the was the real reason I was going over there but the aide is going to the hospital first then follow him home.
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JudeA - I read your very first sentence about oldest sis... and I laughed out loud. I had something similar with oldest sis but more towards revenge. I want her to suffer the way I am. Death is too easy for her. Except, I don't think sis would ever really step up. How many times have I came home from work and found my dad practically lying flat while trying to eat?! And I'm not talking 45 degree angle. He was flat down. When I lectured him aloud (with sis sitting there) about he needs to be elevated when eating/drinking, he said that he told J (my oldest sis) that he needs to sit up. And she just ignored him..... Sis fed him yesterday. And she still refuses to wash his dishes. She really does expect me to clean up 100% of our father.

Veronica, if I did that, he would hit me when it comes to changing pampers. I have tried to tighten his pants but all he has to do is suck in his stomach and then reach in. I worry that as he continues to decline mentally, he might keep pulling out his catheter. Even just now, when the home care nurse changes his catheter once a month, I saw that he wanted to punch her. I froze when I saw his hand fisted and jerked upward ... as he was hurting in pain as she inflated the balloon. I froze because I had flashbacks when he used to punch me. I would have stood there and watched him punch the nurse while she was inflating it. I'm so ashamed. I didn't tell any of the family on this. The nurse is coming this Saturday to change it. I'm going to be a chicken and stay away from home until she comes and goes.
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Well Book the only solution I can come up with is those coveralls that zip up at the back and the patient can't unzip it. good luck getting those on him - maybe bro from next door could help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am absolutely fine but in the quiet of the night these thoughts came to me and I wanted to share them with you
10 things you cannot say to your Mum
1. When you are lost in the haze that is Alzheimer's I cry ... a lot
2. I want for you to be happy but I don't know whether you are or not
3. That hurts
4. I don't know how frightened you are
5. I'm not perfect as a carer mum but I do try
6. I watch over you when you sleep at night and hold your hand until you stop being restless
7. When you fall the fear in your eyes breaks my heart
8. When you ask to die I die inside because I can't help you
9. Just because I am cross with you sometimes doesn't mean I stopped loving you
10. I hate your disease but I would do it all again because you're my mum
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....To murder your older sister? Im not sure how you can conquer this one Book would a tigher belt around his trousers help do you think? My dad used to wear jogging pants with the tie string so if thathad been an issue (and to be fair it never was) I could have tightened the string so he couldnt get his hands down there in the first place. If you could do that and then perhaps use a nappy liner to catch poop it might save on the expense of clean pampers every 2 hours or so too.

Can you get him into a routing of passing a motion? perhaps he isn't aware he is going so perhaps a word with the doc might help.

My mother's friend husband is a fiddler too only with him it was his uridom (not sure what you call them in the US its like a condom for urine to pass through. So they catheterised him and now he has yanked that out and made himself bleed 4 times in the last week...he wont let them near him now excelt for that nice young nurse (his grandaughter) who baulks at the very thought of touching his genitalia bless her.
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Dad new stage. His hand can be found inside his pampers. Lately, almost daily, his poop is smeared on front lower belly or his upper thigh and inside his pants. Oldest sis says I'm too stressed out and need to do yoga. My fantasies lately have been....
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Austin, I was thinking of you a few showers ago. I realized you haven't been commenting lately. Came on here trying to find your latest comments. And finally just concluded you were a bit busy with your man. I'm so sorry about your brother. But I am so glad that SIL has changed her attitudes with regards to you. I'm glad. I was always worried about that. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}
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Hi Guys I have been reading all your post but too distracted to comet much my older brother is in the hospital and we are arranging him to go home on Hospice-the experts were all standing their planning the rest of his life and I asked him what he wanted to do-hello folks-think of the person who is sick-he said he wanted to go home so now everyone is on the same page and even the son who has ben estranged from the family is involved even building a ramp over the outside steps which my brother will never use but as the other son told me that son needs to be involved and that will at least get him to visit home again-I am so thankful that our riff is over and done with and told my SIL I will be there for her and when the Caregiver support lady asked her if she had support she said yes and said me-you are all on my mind and thoughts but right now I am not able to contribute much.
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I have told family that when you touch my stuff in the fridge - Replace It. If you take a cold bottled water, then replace it with the bottled water in the case. You touch my ice coffee, replace it from my stash in the bedroom. (I made the mistake of leaving the case in the kitchen, and oldest sis went through it so fast. One case of ice coffee lasts me 24 days - 1 can a day.)

Niece was so stressed from dad's health issue today, that she ended up drinking 2 cans of ice coffee. She apologized to me for taking it. She asked me where is my stash so that she can replenish it. I said it's in my bedroom. Her eyes widened and she shook her head.

Fave niece can't stand passing the hallway that leads to my bedroom (at the end). It unnerves her so much, she Rarely comes to my bedroom. So, I just automatically assumed that she didn't want to go through that scary hallway to get the iced coffee.

Instead... she said, "Did Nelle tell you what Riah (her 4 year old daughter) said when they were here babysitting grandpa?" I shook my head.

She said, "Riah told her that there's someone in your bedroom. And the person looks like Aunty." When she said that, Nelle got up and quickly closed the door leading to the hallway to my bedroom.

I have another niece, when she was about 4 years old, when she would come to visit us, she would immediately run so fast from our livingroom, bang open the door to the hallway, and run into my bedroom. When I ran after her, I would find her standing and staring at my 2 real-life looking dolls. They both wear eye glasses like me. Long time ago, I placed them on the dresser drawer facing forward. But I never noticed that they had changed position. One doll is facing the left - towards the only open window with no shutters, and the other doll is facing my bedroom door. One day, I saw their new positioned and I would tell family that my dolls are guarding my bedroom from the bad spirits.

Anyway, I wanted to share this story of Riah seeing someone who looks like me in my bedroom with oldest sis. Remember, oldest sis can see the spirits. So, I knocked on her door and told it to her. Sis looks at me and said very seriously, "Oh yeah, there is one who looks like you." !!!#*^!! ... I'm a scaredy cat. I did not need for sis to confirm it! In my bedroom!!! Now I'm going to have to un-scare myself.
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My fave niece was babysitting today. She was so stressed out today with my dad. After she gave him his nutrient drink and herbal supplements, he was complaining of how he was so hot inside. She looked up, and he was super red on the face and upper chest. She panicked because she has her 10 month old baby and grandpa was having a health issue. She called me at work.

I told her that first of all, grandpa will not go to the ER or to the clinic. He may says he wants to go but he will not. But if he insists on going, call uncle of next door. If no one is next door, then wake up aunty (my oldest sis) and tell her that she needs to go with grandpa to the ER/clinic. I told niece that Grandpa will Only Listen to Males.

SIL calls me at work. No male next door, bro is going to work soon, nephews are not home. I told SIL, he may say he's going but he will not. Only a Male can get him to go. Sure enough, she finally got one of her sons to come over to the house. Niece text me - ....grandpa says he's going..... Next text, grandpa not going..... Next text, grandpa change mind, going..... Next text, grandpa not going.....In the end, he didn't go.
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Monday, {{{HUGS}}}

Jude, thanks for the detailed info on how you clean your mom. You’re very a thoughtful caregiver of your mom. And patient. And thorough. My hats off to you! I liked it so much, I hope you don’t mind that I copied/pasted it on my Word File notes: Caregiving Tips.

57twin, Veronica – I laughed hard when I read Veronica’s response. I was thinking just like her. 57twin, I thought your dad was going to be ‘naughty’. And when I read Veronica’s post, I burst out laughing. I’m still laughing, even now as I’m typing this.

Prayer, when my mom was in the very violent stage, she was prescribed Haldol. It was so strong, she just sat there staring off into space. When she was not taking it, she had so much anger and rage. She would chase us with this hatred in her eyes. We ran behind the heavy sofa. And she just flipped it like it was nothing. We screamed and ran into our bedroom, slammed the door, locked it. Mom was banging so hard against the door, it was shaking. Now let me tell you, when our dad had this house built, ALL the doors are solid – like the entrance doors. He did not skimp on getting cheap bedroom and bathroom doors. So, when that door was shaking under mom’s pounding, us girls were leaning against the door screaming out in fear. (We later found out that the mechanics of the mechanic shop next door thought it was hilarious hearing us scream while mom was banging on the door trying to break in.) In the end, my dad decided to take mom off Haldol. He didn’t even want to keep trying different meds to find the Right one for mom. One time, I didn’t catch on the change of mom’s demeanor. She suddenly changed to violence, grabbed my left breast, looked in me in the eyes with such glee, and purposely squeezed so hard and Then Twisted. I stood there in fear, staring in her eyes and she stared in mine with such glee on her face. I did Not whimper, or make any noise. I did my darn best Not To Cry or flinch. I stood there and stared back at her. When she saw that I was not reacting, she let me go. Since then, I’ve learned to Always not be too near her. This way, when she becomes violent, I have enough time to run. Traumatized me. Now, I’m very very fearful if I see anyone who is mentally off. I get flashbacks of mom having a blank face and then suddenly the violence. I think you should give it to hubby.
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Welcome, prayer! It is difficult to take care of two, I have two, my Mom (88) with Alzheimer's and her hubby (86) with general age related decline and some mobility issues. So far I have kept my sanity, and am grateful I am able to take care of them actually quite well. Has your hubby been diagnosed with some sort of dementia? It sounds as if it may be frontal temporal lobe which often causes rages. Haldol is very powerful. Does it seem to be working ok for him? Sometimes it takes trial and error to find the right medication that will be effective. If the haldol doesn't work talk to the doc about trying something different. My Mom has been taking seroquel for about three years. We started ber on 12.5 mg and have increased that to 75 mg now, which has remained the same for a couple of years now. When her doc prescribed it for her sundowning, he told me that he has patients that take up to 400 mg a day. Occasionally I will give her an extra 25mg when she is having a particularly rough afternoon and evening.

Finding the right med to stabalize behavior is many times a matter of trial and error. If you do not think the haldol is working well then try something else.
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yes I had to take care of my hubbys parents for ten years with my hubby. after they got sick he got sick from stress and all and got depressed now they passed away and he Is sick with progressive aphasia ive bn taking care of him for 5 yrs I feel he snapped from his caregiving of his parents and now I have no husband only a man who is very ill mentally its so heartbreaking cuz hes only just 66 yrs of age his parent lived to 90 yrs old.
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Haldol is an antipsychotic. Who prescribed it? It is a powerful drug, but very effective for some patients with the kinds of out of control rages you describe. (Haldol is the brand name; Halperidol is the generic, I think)
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does anyone know about a med called haloperidol???? I don't know if I sd give it to him or not but im getting desperate cuz he goes into rages at times, especially when he needs to be changed or groomed,does anyone else have this problem I want to hire someone to help me but im worried he will scare them away. I feel so hopeless sometimes but I pray everyday for God to help me. thx
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Vic ... I can't even imagine how hard this must be for you to take care of not one but two parents who are difficult to manage to say the least. I take care of my 87 year old mom and have been for five years now since she had her stroke. She has CHF and COPD and other problems but she is mobile. Thank you God! She walks with a walker because her balance is not good. I could not do it if she wasn't. She has fallen so often and has never broken one bone. She says she has angels around her. She cannot communicate very well verbally and is starting to forget what she wants to say. She is going back to speaking her native language of Italian sometimes, which I can understand a little bit but not enough. I have to tell her to speak English all the time. She forgets what she wants to say right away. She is under hospice care where they come to the house for her medical care. I keep having people tell me I need to get out more so I have respite time. I just joined the Y and I have people come and stay with her while I leave for a couple of hours three days a week. We live with my sister and her husband and my sister takes care of her at night and weekends. She works during the day. I have good days and bad days, sometimes I yell at her and am very impatient with her. When this happens I feel so guilty I feel like an awful person. My mom is very sweet and caring person but she's getting physically and mentally worse as the days go by. I am burnt out but I can't stop doing what I am doing because I feel a responsibility to take care of her. She was the best mom and I cannot put her in a home. Even though I want to runaway and never come back, I cannot and will not. I pray every day that God's will be done in her life and for her not to suffer any more. She wants to be with the Lord she is ready to go she says. Life is so short enjoy your parents as they will not be here for long. I am trying to do this also. You are doing a good job Vic. Don't give up! I will do this until she passes. I can't think of any other way that I could live with. Thank you for listening.
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yes I feel hopeless sometimes like im stuck and cant get out, im a caregiver 24/7 for my hubby my name is donna im starting to feel like I cant go on cuz he is very difficult and has terrible mood swings, he now has incontinence and is hard to change him ,I use to walk everyday and socialize but now have no time and he does not like anyone to come over cuz he gets angry if he loses my attention. The worst part he has ppa and cant hadrly communicate with speech. thx everyone
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For one breathless moment there I was afaid of what he was going to show you!!!!!!!!!!
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I thought I had a pretty high gross out factor. Modesty is lost when being a caregiver though when Dad was still at our house and taking a shower I avoided looking at his dangly bits ! Anyhow I forgot his daffodils yesterday and dropped them off before I went to work. He was actually in the living room. He opened his mouth and said he list a tooth. He wS at dentist last month as he has a partially broken tooth but this was a couple teeth away. Anyhow he said it didn't hurt J told him I will call dentist office Monday.
He then opens his hand and shows me the tooth as he wants dentist to see it. I took it in a tissue and hid back in his room where he wont look. I do not know what that was......but there goes my Monday off if dentist wants to see him.
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Oooooh I wouldnt risk drying her anywhere near all that water and steam that's why I said don't use a hair drier after a shower unless you take said person out of the bathroom - electrocution is not something you want to contribute to!!!
Grins mind you sometimes I think it might jolt her mind back to normality a sort of DIY electroconvulsive therapy - only being ironic peeps I know how severe that therapy is and I would never ever want to undermine it for people who really do need (if indeed they do need it) and I know it sometimes considered useful for people with dementia - Im just not convinced
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Jude your sponge bath routine is to be commended. the only thing I would add is that you should have surge protecters on all electrical outlets in the bathroom so there is no danger of electrocution.
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OK whinge of the day coming. I swear my mother deliberately cracks the d*mn three wheeled walker into my ankles. how come she can miss every door every piece of furniture but not my ankle. When I say ouch ( or mutter £$E^% under my breath) she tells be not to be a baby and I quote " it only touched you" yes mum that is why it now has a band aid on it (actually it now has a padded bandage on it so if she does it again it wont break the scab open for the fourth time this week. Rant over
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