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You need to fire your sister and get a replacement book. To leave anyone in faeces is abuse and the fact that it was hard to get off tells me he had been lying in it for some time, although heat will speed that process up of course. Additionally he will be at high risk of infectinos/sores if his hygiene is not attended to promptly and properly. Your dad doesnt want to poop himself honey he just cant help it - as they get older and the disease takes its grip for some people they dont recognise that they want to go or they dont recognise theyve been. Your pampers dont seem to be the right ones hun. You need to getthe high absorbent ones and for additional protection if you think you need it pop in a very long pad - that way it will absorb all the wee and the faecal matter will stay inside the pantie.
How a bed got that wet unless your sister is not attending to him at all is beyond me. My mum uses a pant that will take MY full bladder and yes I did try it just so as I had confidence in them (the things we do!)
It is time to get a draw sheet - not sure what you call them so I feel a google coming on aha disposable underpads you can either use that or that with a rubber underneath it which would wash easily. I bought a full rubber mattress cover which I can clean but now we have a rubber mattress so dont need it. If his pamper gets soiled I dont know how everyone else deals with it but I cut them off so I dont spread the mess (we use the pull up variety not the ones with tabs.

And just for the book he is past just starting dementia hun - go seek some professional advice it may be time to make significant changes to ensure he is well looked after when you are not there, that could be domiciliary care or a care home but something has to change. One thing is for sure if you keep doing what you are doing you will keep getting what you are getting....time for a step change
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I told dad that I'm not being paid to change his pampers. When he makes this kind of a mess, I'm going to start charging him $20.00. Then I emphasized how much I really really hate changing poopy messes.

It took me about 10 minutes to get the nerve to approach his mess. I actually walked out of the house, and walked the yard. I just didn't want to do it anymore. I stood by the sliding door, staring out and my thoughts turned to suicide. He's just starting his dementia. Mom took like 23 years. Comparing dad with mom, dad is going fast, though. I tell myself that I can hang on. But when I face the poopy messes, I just fall apart.

I threw everything that had poop on it. He told me not to throw it. Just wash it. I said no. I'm in no mood to go outside the porch, with a missing nozzle (neighbor took it???) trying to wash off the excess. Pants, Waterproof washable padding, his micro bead over $26.00 value travel pillow. I keep putting that special pillow away. and SOMEONE keeps giving it to him. He has several cheap $10.00 ones - and they always give him the expensive one. Now, it's in the trash. I see poop in several places on it.

Dad's sleeping a lot now. He used to be awake around 10-11pm. Now, he's knocked out by 8pm. His hand movements are not as flexible as before. And when he was sitting up, I can feel his strength is lessening. Because I'm using more and more of my body to hold him up while I adjust his shirt/pillows.

I wonder how long sis just let him lay on his poopy mess. How many hours was he in it? The poop on his upper thigh was hard to scrub off. Lastnight, I had to change his pants. When I was changing his pamper, his pants and the bedding was soaking wet. I would fire sis - if I could find a replacement....
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Done changing dad by 8pm. I think I missed some poop. The livingroom still smells strongly of it. The smell must have been really bad. I kept sneezing hard. Only towards the end, after a hefty sneeze, my sense of smell flared up. Eeewww!!! His poop really really smells. My stomach started heaving. Fortunately, it was only temporary flare. I was back to not smelling anything well. But, sometimes my nose is working, and I can smell that poop! I missed some...somewhere on the bed? I changed his clothes, the bedding,.. oh..maybe his pillows may have it. His pillows have dark colors. sigh.... time to eat...
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I'm so angry. I'm going to play the songs in my kindle to calm me down and distract my hunger pang.
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Thanks for feedbacks. At the moment I'm very pissed off. I keep waiting for sis to bring in the trashcan by the roadside. Trash pick up was on Tuesday. I came home late tonight from work. Bin still by the road. Stopped the car so that I can drag the bin in. Sis smoking on porch step. She was unhappy. So was I. I usually stop and make small talk. Not today. I walked into the livingroom. Oh my...he touched his poop!!!! The whole room stunk of poop. I blew up. Lost my temper. I'm tired and hungry and now I have to do his pampers and bedding and clothing. And can u believe sis decides to go shower!!! I have to wait for her to get out of the bathroom to get all of dad's cleaning supplies!

And she gets paid $320 a month.... 7pm... and I'm hungry. My lunch hour is at 1130am... Hunger headache and stomach pain coming. I need to change the poopy mess on an empty stomach. Can't throw up if there's no food to throw up...
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Book I don't like the sound of that hard breast. Not to be a doomsbody it could be cancer. Now wheether anyone would want to do anything about it or Dad would let them or he could tolerate it or it would be a good idea anyway I just don't know. It could also be an abscess. Is the area red and painful when you press on it? I know it's hot but is he actually running a fever? given his general condition and age maybe doing nothing would be the best decision. If it is cancer and is that big and hard it was probably spread by now and I doubt he would agree to and tolerate chemo. Yes men do get breast cancer!
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Book, L has had trouble with painful breast area. He was on spirolactone which when we changed to eplernone (something like that) it stopped, though it took a couple of months for the pain to completely diminish.
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BIL (bro-in-law) stopped by. Our air con is truly dead. It is truly very very hot. I had a restless hot night. Humid night with the mango blossoms/pollens going through the window screen is playing havoc to my sinus/allergy. My nose is spotting blood. All those weeks of nasal massaged down the drain. My whole face is being squishy all day/night. Ugh!

Dad's constant upper right chest pain - I finally found the reason why. For the past couple of days, he kept talking about him having cancer. cancer, cancer, cancer. Last night, while changing his sweat-soaked tshirt, he again mentioned the pain. As I was wiping him down with baby wipes soaked with No-Rinse wash water, I noticed that his right breast area was hard. His left breast was soft. I pressed the right - solid hard. I've been trying to get him to the clinic to have it xrayed. He refuses. For someone who is afraid of dying, he sure is stubborn about seeing the doctor/ER, etc..
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Mallory, I know of 2 people here on island whom all the siblings chip in on taking care of their aging parent. They even chip in to hire outside help for the days that is not covered. I just happened to have siblings who ... didn't really care to help so that it fell on Dad and I to do everything. And then all by myself when I had both bedridden parents and a full time job. It was not their problem. My sister said that I could not walk out from caregiving because I would be arrested for elderly abandonment. But this same sister didn't volunteer to help me and the situation. But, when mom died, oh.. all my siblings Insisted that we split mom's funeral money Equally. These same siblings that didn't care that I couldn't find someone to babysit dad so that I can attend mom's funeral. I had to make phone calls to hire someone.

All I'm saying, Mallory, is that you have back ups when you need it. Hire if you want. I did that, and I told the person I hired that I'm her employer not my dad. Only I can fire her, not him. I told that to Dad, also. So that he knows that even if he fired her, it won't work - because I was the one who hired her.

Yes, I can see where your mom moves in and then rather not move out. It may be a struggle, etc.. But you can read around here the different ways several people succeeded in it.
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Mallory love the bit about hair coloured and coiffed but I love this quote;

Remember: Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a ride!!"
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I totally feel tugged in several different directions....in a perfect world she would slip away at her own home in her own bed with no pain and with her hair recently colored & coiffed. Haha. How often does THAT happen. I guess I have to write down the plusses & minuses and all with a goal, to avoid her going into Medicaid, since there she will lose privacy and control of where she lives. Maybe she old conserve her little nest egg by living with me for 18 mos.....but then I remember someone wrote how impossibly awful it was to move mom to AL after being moved to daughter's house. Husband is passionately in Favor of moving her here (his family always cares for elders in home, up to The End). Kids are 1 - launched out of home, 2 &3 in college plus working so hardly ever home, but they adore grandma, and bring her treats at her current home, but they aren't totally sure about her living here mostly because of refrigerator space (I told them she could have her own small frig). We have 3 bathrooms so one just needs a shower added, easy to do, or we install a lift to 2nd floor (not sure if I'd want that). Maybe it could work. ...but I would have to be firm about getting "my time" and for me, that could be a much -needed subscription to the local gym, to work off 18 year old baby fat (blush). I've often heard it said, other countries don't "warehouse" their elders. Not sure if that is true. But I know mom has hated all the AL'S we've visited precisely because, all the people there are "old"....which she is, but, do 2nd graders live well if they spent 24/7/365 with 65 other 2nd graders?
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Mallory, there are hugs downsides, but on the other hand, people for whom home care goes really well do exist and they don;t tend to psot as much on here. Don't try to be 100% solo care provider for someone who is total care and can't be left alone. Build a realistic plan with respites for you and a back up plan in case it is a big flop. Just my $0.02.
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Veronica I know what you mean about the copper fires and the tin bath I used toi have first bath because I was so little but evryone bathed in the same water yuk yuk

I have to say that much as it is hard work I will keep my mum at home as long as I can and hopefully she will die here in peace surrounded my her memories. Why? Because I ahte the comerciality of care facilities and I know they have to run at a profit but boy in the UK some of them are dreadful. The main problem is that a lot of the carers dont have English as a first language and that is a REAL problem when someone is trying to understand them. The second is that if they are trained and in UK they have to be, then they clearly havent understood the importance of the skills they learned. Abuse is rife and while I might go scream in the garage at least I dont leave my mum sitting in poop while I do so.

I cream mums skin every day from head to to and her skin is in superb condition and always has been since I took over the care. Meanie me doesnt allow her to sit in one place for any length of time before I egt her up - does she moan oh yes but shed moan a whole host more if she got pressure sores.

I have a special set of pressure sore prevention cushions that she sits on

Would she get the type of food she like, the care that she needs and the rights she is by law entitled to in a care home? Im not confident ...so at home she stays and in the garage I will continue screaming!!!!
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hi jude my Mum had a copper in the kitchen and she had to light a fire underneath to heat the water. The bath tub was also right next to it so on bath night the hot water was also heated in the copper.
Don't know how Mum managed the nappies but I also used the cloth ones and dropped them into a bucket of cold bleach water. Every morning emptied the bucket into the washer ran a spin cycle then a sinse cycle and finally hot wash with detergent and dried them on the line of course. I used disposable liners which were like dry wipes and flushed them with the poop. You could get those suckers up so snug round the babies legs so there was no leakage.
Now what were we talking about? Oh yes whether it was sensible to move Mom into our home. I would add a resounding "NO" if you do do it at least add a second bathroom to your house just for Mom. It won't be her fault but the time will come when you will be glad you did.
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I know the boiling point is 100C 212 F but you only need to go to 60C or 140F to kill bacteria See this comment:
Philip Tierno, a professor of microbiology and pathology at the New York University School of Medicine said bacteria from the skin, such as staphylococcus, can be found on clothing and towels.

You may have been relying on your detergent to get rid of all the dirt and germs, but if you're not using bleach or very hot water, you're not killing the bacteria -- they're getting on your hands and staying in the washing machine.

"Most of the hot water people use is not hot enough. You need water that's between 140 and 150 degrees to kill germs," said Tierno.

The trouble is we all have clothes made from non natural fibres and they unfortunately dont like hot water. if you have this situation then you need to use a chemical antibacterial agent just to be sure.

We used to have what in UK is called a copper it was like a cross between an oven and a cauldron with a scrubbing board on the top and a mangle (I think you call them wringers) and yep it was on full bubbling boil for about 10 minutes current thinking is for less than this at somewhere between 3 and 6 minutes which is unfortunately because the washing machine doesnt hold 60C for that long - hey ho back to the big oven topped kettle
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JudeAH53, dear, ... The boiling point of water is 100°C or 212° F at 1 atmosphere of pressure (sea level), but water boils at a lower temperature as you gain altitude ... Well, I just googled that, did not know that on , let’s say “Mount Everest” water boils at lower temps... wonder if it still kills bacteria then... hmmmm , ... To get back to the point: you are so right: My grandmother knew what she was doing when she stuck a huge pot on the kitchen stove , threw in the rinsed and soaked
dirty wash and water and something I have not seen in stores lately, called -Washing –SODA-, and boiled the heck out of it, standing there for 10 minutes plus, pushing down the wash into the kettle , because the kettle kept wanting to boil over... Yes that’s what it takes - 10 minutes PLUS,- at boiling temp of 212C..., to kill those critters, and Grandma’s white wash came out glowing, no Chlorine Bleach needed in those days...... I also agree with attaching 2 extra normal pads in the Depend to the lower inside leg-edges, so it keeps Depends from leaking , especially when on an outing... and a spare set in the pocket book !!! I do wish you well !!!
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Mallory -- I felt just like you when it was time to make this decision of having my mom live with us -- torn both ways. However, I have good and the negative results of saying yes. In my situation she was supposedly dying and I wanted, like you, to be with her when her time came, if possible. First on the negative side: it has changed my personality for the worse. I get so short tempered, irritable with everyone and socially starved. I could invite people over more but have lost the desire to do so, not finding help so I can get out more and on and on. My mom is always around us, we have a small house and nowhere else to go when it is too early for bed, so when we do have someone over she hears everything we say which I don't like. My husband and I don't do anything spontaneous or fun -- our relationship has suffered, only by the grace of God is my husband still with us. He escapes as much as possible. Hopefully I'm not being too negative but it is what it is. I guess sometimes I have tried to be my moms' all in all since she has given up so much - until there's not much of "me" left. Short term would have been OK, but its been 3 years now and I'm just resigned to my life. On the positive side, I know my mom is very well taken care of because I do it myself, she's rarely sick, no bedsores or other ailments because I can see and take care of them before they become serious, I take her to bingo at the community center to get her out some, we got her a kitten to keep her company, she's around me all the time which she's always wanted and I will see her to the end because that's the commitment I've made.(I know that statement must sound I am pretty depressed!) I'm 67 years old so there are no longer children to take care of and my husband are both retired and receiving pensions so money is not a concern. I'm sure we are among the more fortunate ones in that area. In my bible in Lamentations 3:22,23, it says that God's compassion to us does not fail , and his mercy is new every morning. That's what I hold on to -- that my mercy and understanding would be new every morning towards my mom because it is a new day and I will rejoice and be glad in it. It doesn't make anything easier, but it keeps me from going insane and packing up her bags and sending her away.
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With regard to the yucky stuff. My mum uses Pull ups and I put pads inside those so yucky stuff is limited but it does happen. When it happens I have one large bowl which I use for nothing else except yucky stuff - it is washable steamable and bleachable so I can be absolutely be certain I get get it clean after use.
I am older so I remember towelling diapers so to get the worst off I hold the garment into the flush of the toilet and I find that takes it and disposes of it all in a one - If it is sheets then use a disposable sheet over the main sheet.Again accidents will happen and in this case I hold the soiled part over a bowl and shower it into the bowl and empty into toilet. The in all cases garment or sheet I use a strong disinfectant with cold water in the bowl and pop on the rubber gloves and slew the fabric around - cold water so it doesnt smell worse than it already will. I empty bowl into toilet and repeat until all the soiling has gone. I actually find that this way I have no worries in using the washing machine and I never wash soiled clothes with other clothes.
If there has been a lot of soiling - last week was a point in question I run a boil wash through the machine to whicih I add sterilising tablets and I find that works brilliantly.

The one thing I will say is that it has altered my buying - I only buy clothes that I can wash athigh temperatires because you have to kill bacteria and you need 60C for that oh gosh F let me think 140 I think
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I came home. Walked in the livingroom and it was so hot and stuffy. The air con died. All the doors (bedroom, bathroom, livingroom, kitchen) to the livingroom and all the windows were Closed Shut! I didn't mean to say it but it just came out of my mouth. "Common sense is that when the air con is broken, to open all the windows and door." Oldest sis walked out. I opened the kitchen/livingroom door. I opened the haunted bedroom's door. I opened the louvers. Took the spare fan in the haunted room and put it in the livingroom.

I am now stuffy nosed, coughing, sneezing like crazy, sniffing like crazy - because the mango tree is right outside the front porch. It's blossoming. And I'm allergic to mango and mango trees. It's going to be a very long night, a very long week. I will go to Home Depot on Saturday morning to buy an air con. Tonight, I will take a cold shower and sleep tonight in shorts and tank top... Please don't let the mosquitos come in through the holes of the windows!!!! Mosquitos love me. They don't even bite my dad at all.

Well, air con broke down. I'd better call the plumber to fix the toilet leak. I'd hate for the toilet to break down....We only have one toilet, one shower, one bathroom.
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Mallory, if you bring your mom home, will there be 3 people to do 8-hour shifts when the time comes? 2 people doing it - is very difficult, very stressful and relationships get affected. One person will think that they're doing the main caregiving while the other claims that they work all day, and tired when coming home. So most of the caregiving falls on one person. My dad did the main caregiving totally. I came home from work, and took over. My vacations was spent staying at home so that dad can get some time off. When I got back to work, my boss said that I look worse now than when I left for my vacation leave.

Soon, all your daily activities (includes walking in the park, parties, weddings, etc..) are curtailed because of mom. Every time you leave, they will want to know where you're going. If it's not work related, then you should stay home, etc...

If you hire someone, will your mom fire them. The bathroom. I hope you have a very strong stomach. Up till now, I cringe when I have to wash my clothes in our washing machine. There's no hot water hook up. It's disgusting to use the washer knowing that dad's yucky stuff was washed in it.

Research hard before moving your mom in with you.
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Mallory if I could suggest a further alternative?. Im not sure you have them commonly over there but could you afford to build a granny annexe to your house. That would mean she would still retain her own independence (sort of) but more importantly you would retain yours, AND you can put as much safety in during the build so wider doors, hand rails all over, wet room that will accommodate wheechair and perhaps a hoist later. Must obviously have a bedroom a bathroom and a sitting area but perhaps a second bedroom for another person if she is unwell and needs a little more attention than normal. I think you may, if you havean intercom system set up find that to be cheaper than private care in the long run
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We are on the verge of placing mom in memory care because the twisted sissies and auntie dearest think it will be cheaper than staying at home. HA, are they in for a surprise! The inheritance they have been so concerned about will be gone. Then when it is they will have to move mom to a medicaid nursing facility. I feel so bad for my mom, but I am DONE! Not doing this any longer.
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Mallory NO, don't do it!
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mallory, My experience with moving my mom in with us was NOT GOOD. And once she was in with us it was horrifying, literally the worst thing I ever had to do, getting her to move to an AL.

Keep in mind, her physical abilities will change. Then that occasional 4 hours a day of help will seem like nothing and you'll be on call the other 20. Think long and HARD before moving her in.

I know it has worked well for others on here, but they seem to be the rare case.

You seem to be very emotional with the 'eventually breathe her last breath' comment like you're leaving her alone on an iceberg somewhere. I hopefully will be there holding my mom's hand when it's time for her to pass. Heck, I'm there every other day for three hours and talk on the phone every day I'm not there. And I'm darned grateful to be able to sleep at night without a 3 a.m. potty call. It was way too much for me as one person. They have three shifts of people that are well-rested to do the job.

I wish you the best in your decision-making. It is so difficult and you have my sympathies. I wish it wasn't so hard, but it is. :(
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Bookluvr thanks for the idea for me to send mom some mail....even though I have to pick it up for her (she is afraid of falling during the walk down driveway & across street to the boxes) she loves to get the big wad of it, even the junk mail, she feels connection to "the world ". Joyfuljo, yes this is so mind-numbing! I have spent dozens of hours checking out asst living centers near to me (and some not so near). I get royal headache trying to compare them all! None of their "menu of services" are the same. Some include 10 meals per month and others 3 meals a day plus snacks. Every single one in my major metro area, when adding in medication administration, is approaching $60,000 per year. Despite the national average of $3,300 being widely quoted, in my area it's averaging $4,100 plus medications is additional $600 to $875. A month. So I am re-thinking the whole AL question, and considering moving her in with our family. I know half of you are screaming Noooo! Don't do it! But the thing is, I cannot imagine placing mom into one of these places, where she will eventually breathe her last breath. I myself would want to be surrounded by my family, so why shouldn't I provide that for my mom? We do have an extra room and can make the bathroom work. I can hire in-home caregiver to come for 4 hours a day as needed. My mom basically just watches TV all day, and eats. She doesn't play cards or do crafts. She likes my dog & cats. She would enjoy it here and am I totally crazy for feeling like I could do this?
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I stopped to see Dad this morning he was in a good mood. My sister had printed some pictures with a color copier and I taped them to his wall.
He had some of his shirts sitting on his lazy boy. The old tank tank ones which were my husbands but dad sleeps in them. Man were they worn and holey. I was embarrassed so I am buying him some new ones tomorrow.
I think I will bring them on Wednesday as I have been trying to visit in the morning or early afternoon.
Also thoughts please. His last big episode of agitation was when he thought he was locked in a church and had to get his girls. I have a baby photo of my sister and I and am thinking of taking it out of his room? I am sure he does not remember me as a grown woman at times but a toddler instead.
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Appreciate your posts JudeAH53 to Mallory. You voice what so many of us feel - caregiving is mindnumbing and explaining what you are going through and why you're irritable most of the time is not understood by others unless they, too, are a caregiver. Sometimes the guilt is overpowering but you give in like Mallory so you can get a little needed rest and peace. When they live with you and you care for them 24/7, every little thing sometimes seems to be a mountain. I have a little garden for respite, I take a fast walk across the street to the school and back for a little exercise and hug my pets for non-judgemental comfort. Others, your friends etc, don't understand what its like when a parent has dementia and each day a little more of their memory disappears and they are changing before your eyes, It hurts, its frustrating, its irritating, its overwhelming, but you love them and only want the best for them each day, It would be worse if I were in my mom's shoes and she were in mine -- I don't think I would be a very good patient!, Hang in there Mallory -- don't heap guilt on yourself when its not warranted and have some outlets for your frustrations. You are right to come on here and vent -- that's what we're all here for - to give each other support,
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Thank you Book. It was a response I needed to hear. I know she is probaly close. she has all the signs. I have not heard the hard breathing, but I know she is very weak and still wants to go to the cancer dr. on tuesday. I cannot believe she is still willing to do treatment. Yesterday it was evening and she said she couldnt tell if it was day or night. Thanks for your comments. My panicking comes and goes.
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Now, I'm trying to wake him up to change it. And he tells me that it can wait until tomorrow.
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I need to start listening to my dad. When it's still only 8pm, and he's counting the time for it to be 9pm to change his pamper, that should have been a hint to me that he's really tired and wants his pamper changed Now. Because by 9pm, he's knocked out and doesn't want his pamper changed. I need to remember this.
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