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Sam you are doing fine. The rattle may lessen if you turn her form side to side. I know it is very hard for you to listen to. keep her comfortable with whatever meds you have been given, you wont change anything and a little dose of something won't hurt either. there will be such a sense of peace when she passes over. have someone to sit with you. Don't he afraid to leave her alone some people wait till they are alone till they pass. Keep talking to her.
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Death Rattle started today. I'm like a deer in the headlights. Pass the Lorazepam. Thanks all for being here. Sam
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Lu I think hospitals see so many people they dont delve into the depths of the individual whereas the hospice really often only see carers and all the intrinsic struggles carers face babes.

The hospice will recognise that you are under tremendous strain right now and are really only showing their concern and trying to establish if there is something they can do to help you through the day to day fears you are experiencing.

Feeling suicidal isnt being mental in the conventional sense that most people see it as - its often just a symptom of mental unwellness as opposed to mental illness which is something entirely different.

When all feels lost and there doesnt appear to be any light at the end of tunnel I suppose depression anxiety and suicidal thoughts will come to mind for some people possibly the latter as the only way they can leave their commitments (often ones that were not of their choosing) behind and even more so if there is no support for them.
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I do appreciate the feedback from you all.It just saddens my heart that anyone would think I was so selfish or crazy.I would never let my Mother down,especially now when she needs me most.Mothers lungs are half full of fluid and her legs are getting blue.I am scared and so worried but no matter what,Ill hang on and keep trudging. I understand they were just doing their jobs but the hostpital where I got the 3 stitches Sat. beleived me and didnt suggest the mental ward.Thanks for caring you all and thanks for your answers.
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Lucky Lu, Veronica is right although initial expressions of suicidal thoughts/deeds can be cries for help which, if go unfulfilled, can lead to really serious thoughts about suicide. And spot on veronica when people are not expressing, they may say nothing - in fact they are likely to cut themselves off from their family and friends, forcing themselves into a situation of isolation from which suicide appears to them to be the best way out not just for them but for everyone - you may call it a state of anomie.

I think it is your 51st state! - the breaking down of bonds between the individual and the community - oh well we all know that one! The subsequent isolation can lead to a whole range of issues including suicide but it has been suggested that it can lead to murder too - but before any of you contemplatye that one it is not held to be a defence!

As for rates of suicidal thoughts and attempts of suicide Australi compared US and Aussie stats with some alarming figures but only of a very small sample: They asked a sample of 120 Australian and US carers and found that they were contemplating suicide at more than eight times the rate of the general population.

So LuckyLu that is WHY they thought you might be struggling hun and lets face it if you were and they did nothing they are guilty of negligence - better to be safe than sued!
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Luckylu, I am afraid all nurses especially hospice nurses have to take such accidents very seriously. no one knows what is going on in another's mind., and the signs of suicidal thoughts are frequently not expressed. the serious ones have a plan and secretly carry it out. Had this been an accident to a child the same people are mandated reporters and would have been obligated to report. sounds silly when you know it was an accident. Their intention was to help you not cause distress so try and let it go. It really is not important, painful maybe but you have been patched up and it will heal. Try not to stress it too much and use the other hand when possible till it heals.
Be glad people care and are looking out for you. others are not so fortunate.
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Unbeleivable!!!Because I accidently dropped a piece of glass on my wrist,the Hospice nurse thought I was trying to commit suicide which is the last thing I would ever do.Things are hard enough without people stirring up shoot.The social worker came by and had to see it...RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!
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Good luck oregon! Do what you can to protect yourself. Since you don't have his POA's the children will be making all decisions, including where he is to live. I am only telling you this because it has happened to me. I hope all works out well for you.
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Gawoman, you are NOT being selfish. Repeat to yourself over and over – you are Not selfish. You have quit your job, and are doing things to someone who is Not your mother. Your husband is Not supportive of you. He should be helping you. It is not just ‘a woman’s job’ to be caregivers. I don’t believe in divorces due to religious reasons. Only extreme cases makes divorce okay. But I do believe that your husband needs a wake-up call. When you have reached your extreme limit, please Do Pack Up and Leave. Do Not prepare MIL for him. Just walk out. He will learn ASAP All the things you were doing for his mother. And hopefully this will be a wake-up call for him. And I’d start looking in the Classified Ads for a job. Even if it’s a part-time job. Or you come here and vent, vent and vent until it’s over.

After this last typhoon, I'm so fed up with this house's status quo. Almost all the window screens have holes or falling off. I'm tired of every storm, that I get wet while washing dishes in the sink. Or getting wet or sitting on an icy cold dirty wet toilet seat because there's no window pane in the bathroom. And after every storm, I check the 3 gas tanks outside the kitchen. All these stuff - I've asked brother for help. He says it's impossible or just ignores me.

In desperation, i asked bro's girlfriend if she knows a reliable handyman who can fix our windows (or board it up!), put on the screen door that I bought last year (bro only put one up but not the 2nd one). She doesn't know but will ask around for recommendation.
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Crowded, it’s hard when one’s caring for an elderly and also a children. Both will demand your attention as the years go by. Children wants to do more, elderly slows down. Soon you will be torn between decisions. You all need to plan ahead for the time when your FIL (Father-in-law) gets worse healthwise.

Luckylu – I hope you heal fast. Your words reminded me of the time I was caring for both bedridden parents, a full time and changing their pampers all by myself (oldest sis was just a babysitter – who babysits and doesn’t do pampers.) I remember I couldn’t wait for Sundays, when I would turn on the radio just so that I can hear 2 songs. One was a Catholic religious song (Oops! I shouldn’t admit this) sung by female choirs ‘Ave Maria.” It was so beautiful and peaceful. I can feel myself destress as I listen to it. (Unfortunately, the newer version is sung by the male choir – and not as hearttouching as the female choirs. Not at all.) … Your words “Get Through This Day” – reminded me also of that second song that they only play on Sundays – “One Day at a Time, Sweet Jesus.” I would hear that song, and sing along very off-keyed (dad says I sound awful.)

Daughter52, what you’re feeling is normal. Well, normal in that I’ve felt like that. When mom finally passed away, I was relieved …because dad was getting more and more demanding that he comes first before mom. It was too much stress because when he gets angry, he sometimes hit or throws things. My question to you, which I know your mom will refuse, but can you hire someone to be with your mom on Saturday mornings? Try to use your mom’s money. If not, can you spare any? Maybe you can step back a bit and let your mom do things on her own. You can prepare the food and she can just warm it up when ready. Then you can spend the mornings in the garden away from her. Perhaps install baby monitors in the 2 rooms she’s mostly at. And if it can reach outside in the garden.

Samantha, I fell into the same trap like you. When I decided to stay home and help dad, I didn’t think mom would have lasted this long. I was around age 25 (?). Mom finally passed away about 2 years ago… That makes me helping dad for about 22-23 years! I swear, the past 13 years, I thought mom was really going to die this time. And then she pulls out of death’s door. 13 years of so much false alarms. If I had known this is what I would be doing, I would not have gone seeking God and getting to know Him. But, then I won’t be the person I am today. Darn if you and darn if you don’t. Catch 22….
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Gladmhere.....Nope not walking away....I made a promise and I intend to keep it. I just so happen to love this old guy...and have for years...He is as good as he can be to me. It is not his fault this ugly illness hit him and suddenly at that. I would not do such a horrible thing as allowing his one son and daughter in law to care for him..What a h*ll I would create for him. Just need to complain now and then, but I get over it.
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GA, strange how some of us gain weight, and others lose. I will take your 15 pounds I need it though not looking anorexic at least.

Jude, a MAN?! Not for me, thank you very much. Just another person to take care of. Move to facility for mom and L the end of next week. It is time for me to regroup, get a life back if there is one to have, then figure out my next steps.
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I haven't been here in several weeks and as I am reading your post, I ask myself how is it we get in this situation of caring for our elderly parents...yes I know we do it out of love but I am beginning to feel like we are all crazy for taking on this role in our lives. I am miserable being stuck in a house with my MIL everyday and no one seems to care or help. I have about had it. Im sorry for the ones who wishes they had another in their lives and dont have one, but believe me I have one and they are of no comfort at the moment-wrapped in their on misery of feeling like they are losing their mother when I'm the one doing all the work. I hate my life now, and if things dont change soon, I think I'll just pack up my clothes and leave. I can't do this and have all these emotions much longer. It is too much pain and agony and loneliness for one person. I feel tramatized by having to do some of the gory and repulsive things I've had to do. I wish I had never quit my job, My husband would have been forced to put his mother in a home, and even though it would have been hell for me to have to hear his anger all the time for that- at least I wouldnt be losing my sanity. YES....I am being selfish right now. I have been giving and nice and sweet and willing for 6 months...against my better judgement but Im tired and Im worn out and I ache all over and Ive gained abt 15 lbs. and I'm not happy right now so I'm gonna be selfish if I want to.
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My mother stopped eating almost 2 wks., ago. We're on the 2nd month of in-home hospice. I don't know if she will be here next weekend. Part of me is sad and part of me is pleased that I made it this far. If I had known 5 yrs ago, when this started, that I would be doing this for 5 yrs., I think I would have run off into the sunset screaming profanities.
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Did a quick stop at dads yesterday to clean out and refill his birdfeeders. He was not in his room so I went in and he has in living room.
started to get a bit anxious - the whole going home routine so I distracted him by taking to the courtyard to look at plants then off to his room where we had again the conversation about his room, his clothes, where is the car, his wallet etc. How far away do I live ( I fudge that a bit) Ending ok though-whew as no calls.
Sis today called and asked if I was going to have Dad over for a cookout this holiday weekend! Or why fo you not have him help with yardwork.
I told her I am going to botanical garden Wednesday and lunch after.
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I know what you mean, Jude. I would love to have a relationship. It would be great if he had his place and me mine. I've been married a couple of times and men are too much work for me. Having someone dependable in a separate address seems perfect to me.
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I just want someone to love and care for me a little bit...is it so wrong to need that in my life and I dont mean from my children. I need a somewhat significant other methinks - fat chance right now but I really really need the closeness of another person before I lose myself completely
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SherylBeth, guilt is a very powerful and damaging emotion. It has no place in caring for a loved one. Replace it with doing your best and getting the finest care for Mom you can find. Mothers want the best for their children just as children do their best to care for their parents. So go on doing your best and make Mom proud.
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Daughter52...it seems to be quite normal from what ive seen on the site for us to wish our folks could move on...at least they would be well and happy....which is a far cry from where they are now with the illnesses and dementia. My mom has no quality of life and is miserable...never happy anymore....and thats not a life that i want for her. I have struggled horribly anout whether to care for her myself or place her an ALF when the time comes...which wont be long. The guilt of feeling like its my job to care for her is slowly being replaced with the truth that mom would not WANT me to do that. I will however make sure that she is always taken care of...
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Hard days for me are becoming more frequent. Today is Sunday....I used to look forward to weekends. They are hell for me now. Taking care of my mother with dementia/alzheimer's is becoming more restricting. To put it mildly---I have NO LIFE. I am a prisoner to her care 24/7 unless she is in adult care MTandF. And mom is becoming more demanding and selfish. She sits at her breakfast table in the morning and just stares ahead---complaining about aches and pains and the like. Life is shitty for her and she is taking me in the muck with her. "Just wait", she will tell me often. "How wonderful", I say back that you've given me this to look forward to.
When it is the weekend, she will ask me what day it is and I will tell her. Then she will mumble and grumble and sometimes curse cause she doesn't get to go to the Center today. "That's just great", she will say. Let me tell you what that means for me---I am stuck home with her and her attitude. But my lack of a life means nothing to her.
And before anyone says that I need to take time for myself--go for a walk, treat myself to something I like---I have and I do, if possible. And there is NO ONE to relieve me on the weekends.
Next week I start therapy...that is what it has come to. I have to "fix" myself in order to deal with caring for her. Right now I have such self hate and guilt because all I wish is for her to be gone.
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I hurt like crazy this morning from a severe cut in my right wrist from a stupid accident,so now everything is just harder especially pulling up Mothers diapers,Nothing ever seems to go right.Im so depressed,,,,,,,,,,,I keep thinking GET THROUGH THIS DAY....
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Been a busy week here, graduation parties, other parties all with my father in law in tow as well as my nearly 3 year old daughter who doesn't do that great with crowds and clings to me like gravy on rice. I had taken a lot of time off after my accident hoping to rid myself of the constant headache I acquired from a car accident over a year ago with no luck and to spend time with my little one. My father in law was more than we expected when he moved in with us last July. In the last week all I want to do is cry. I go back to work on Monday(tomorrow) working 20-30 hours a week, hoping my head hangs in there because I have to, leaving my husband home to care for his father an our little one (we figured it was best at this time). I am going to miss her so much. I could pour out so much more, but it is a public forum. Just feeling so overwhelmed, even though I leave most of his caregiving to my husband. Just feeling trapped.
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Oregongirl-welcome to our group I too found this site almost 7 years ago one day it just popped up and was fate because I so needed support-the first time someone said they understood I felt so grateful-my husband died almost 6 years ago-I was sure I would go first-I had all the stress and my lawyer told my son 60 % of caregivers die before those they are caring for that woke me up-I actually was working on placement when his health got worse and he was on life support meds until there was not hope of recovery-now I belong to a caregivers support group along with another former caregivers and am able to help others who are still in the trenches -you are doing what you feel you need to do-listen to your own heart do what you feel is right-I am now in a relationship with a great man and would do anything for him-he treats me so good the opposite of my late husband. We did not ask for this and I say I have so much unasked for knowledge that hopefully will help others-just to be able to say to others in my group you are doing well is so joyful-you will become great friends with the kind folks here.
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Thanks, CM. My family confuses me. I'm tightfisted but they come to me for money. They say I'm cruel or very mean, yet don't understand why the kids like me and want me to play with them. When I finally lose my temper, they say that I haven't gotten mad in a long time... I think my family has this picture of me that hasn't changed in years. I don't think it will ever change. Oh, well, that means they won't take advantage of me.
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Good for you, Book. Why should you let yourself be taken advantage of? I think your approach is fair and reasonable, and I'm impressed at your no-nonsense way of sticking to it. For 'tight-fisted' I think you should probably read 'not suffering fools gladly.'
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I'm known in my family as "tight." I watch every penny, keep track of who borrows what. When you borrow from me, I expect to be paid back. Oldest bro owes me over $1000.00. He knows that he has been stricken out of my list. They can get large tax refunds of over $4,000.00 but he cannot pay back what he borrowed. They can go on trips every year, spending over $2500.00 per person a ticket, but he cannot pay me back. So, ALL my family knows that I keep track of what they borrow. .. down to the penny. I make a log sheet, date the payment, amount, and balance due with every payment. I don't charge interest but I do expect to be paid in a timely manner. I don't care if it's $50 this month, $20 next month.. I just want to be paid monthly until fully paid back.

Our neighbor, my brother's rentor, just knocked on my door. He begged, please, can I borrow $45.00 and I will pay you back on payday.

I said immediately, No. He looked shocked, and then continued to beg.

I interrupted him and said, "No. You owe me money." He stopped suddenly, confused. Then asked how much.

I said, "$20.00."

He replied, "Okay, I will pay you back $65.00 on payday."
I said, "No, that is not how it works. My rule is - if you borrow $20.00, you pay me back $20.00. And then, you can borrow again. That is my rule that applies even to family. Ask L. Sorry, but that is My Rules."

He accepted. And left.

Before you pass judgment, this guy's wife is a very hard worker. He spends most of his time drinking, getting drunk. He's been arrested several times. And he has borrowed so much money from dad, a little here, a little there. I had to complain to brother. Supposedly, he's no longer borrowing from my dad.

I actually said No. I usually have a difficult time saying no to people... except when it comes to my money. I don't even think he remembers borrowing $20 from me. That was several years ago. I don't remember the year, but I sure do remember that I didn't get paid back.... This is why I have a reputation among my family as being tight-fisted with my money.
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Oregon, I agree with your kids, walk away, let his kids deal with it!
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Thanks, Veronica.
1. Bathroom window with only a shredded screen keeping the crawlies,colorful caterpillar with plenty legs, our infamous tree snakes (loves indoors) and especially mosquito (try using the restroom with one trying and succeeding in biting you several places where you cannot slap it,). All those reasons have made me decide to find a solution.
2. Ahhh.. I Tried to use the baking soda with hot water and it didn't work. I see why. I'm suppose to unclog drain first and Then use the baking soda. Google research didn't tell me that.
3. We had a very long and well made snake. Bro of next door borrowed it. And never got it back. Just like when they borrowed our toilet plunger. And never got it back. And our nozzle (that I use to flush dad's poop before going in the washer)......
4. Outside outlet. Brother won't do it. He will tell me to buy the supplies, he doesn't have his electrical tools,etc... But has no problem rewiring our auntie's house for free...or nods at me, and walk away. Been there, done that. Yes, time to hire a professional. Add to my To Do List.

Washer is outside sis side bedroom. Thanks for the tips. I'm beginning to see that googling information doesn't include other practical advice.
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Sheriebeth...Focusing on a better life instead of prolonging life...WOW, I wish they taught that in Med School. My partner's doctor refusing to give him Narcotics for his pain, so he has a glorified asprin and takes 2 every 4 hours...The pain he struggles with is horrible. Now and then he will have a couple of days of peace. So what if he gets addicted to drugs. He is 88 years old. In Oregon doctors were abusing the use of narcodics to young people, so the State and Feds bounced on their heads and now the elderly are suffering. The streets are full of druggies and the govt seems to think the widespread STOPPAGE of Narcotics will fix this problem. Sure, and in the meantime, the elderly suffer on. This is happening in a few states that evidently failed their test on Drs and drugs
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Good morning everyone....I opened up my laptop and there you were. How wonderful to have a place to say the things I want to say. Like, its Saturday...Let go to a movie..Oh wait I can't....I did not quit work because I wanted to, I had no choice. He cannot be left alone more than 30 minutes...So, yes, I guess my day is still the same. I am not depressed, just always wondering how long I will be having to do this? Maybe I could die first and then who will care for him? He would be placed in a home and they would sell everything to pay for it. The they is his kids..We have been together so long and I never got along with his kids..Never...and, the relationship with my kids is strained as they think I should just put him in a NH and walk away. So, I guess my day is as normal as it was yesterday. Except that I have friends on here I can talk to. His nurse who comes once a week was so happy to hear that I had started visiting this site. How is everyone out there? Hang in there...We did not choose this job, but we took it because we love someone. I look at him and as helpless as he is, he still knows to say "I love you". That means so much.
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