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Alwaystired.....I'm sorry you are living and dealing with such a burden. It sounds like there is a lot of depression going on with you and your husband. And possibly some dependence on pain medication. Your loss of interest in things you normally enjoy doing is a sign of depression. It sounds like you know what needs to be done and with that decision the guilt should also go away. I think on a different plane than most people, as I don't feel there is any room for feelings of guilt when I am doing something to preserve my life or my marriage. It's obvious that your husband and mother will never get along and unfortunately you are at the crossroads of having to decide on your marriage or your mother. You can have both by placing your mother and knowing that she will be well taken care of, will make new friends, and you will still be able to see her and probably end up having a better relationship with her. You will only feel guilty if you allow yourself to feel that way. Look at this as a new chapter in all of your lives and there will be no reason for guilt. Can you get your husband to see a therapist? I think that is something that needs to be done and would help the both of you. Good luck and please come back and let us know how you are doing.
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Welcome Indyrose and alwaystired, you have come to the right place..We don't have magic answers, but we do have a lot of collective experience, we do laugh, we do scream, we do love each other here....
Indyrose, I work with Alz. clients and there are times that it is a "tell" not "ask" situation.. Everyone that commented had good suggestions, maybe something helped... and maybe your husband needs to see why he is so obsessed with this, If they smelled bad, I feel like you would have already done something about it.. How important is it that he get his way here???? Power plays NEVER work, don't care who it is or what it is about.....
Alwaystired,,,You are feeling guilty for doing what she asked????? Ok, in my mind if you set her on the side of the road at a busy intersection, now THAT is something to feel guilty about!!!! I can tell you already have your own answer and may just need some support for moving forward with it... You have my support, she will be fine and you will be able to get your life back in order and tend to things in your marriage... :you and your husband need your life back and I agree, I would not live in all that stress. let us know what happens.... follow your gut, not your heart...
Debbie, sweetie, all you had to do was say, I need to vent, don't want advice.. please don't kill the messengers, as we care what happens to you... And yes this sucks, but it doesn't have to be "all or nothing". And if you want to leave , then follow your plan... but you do care or you would not be so disappointed and upset...
No one is trying to say you haven't tried everything... And the main thing is that you have no regrets, if you have tried it all, then leaving is the thing for you to do.. you can look back and say "I tried"...it's more than your family is doing, so move on.. visit them, I did this with my dad... nothing else would work for ME,, because nothing was going to suit him anyway... let us know what happens and we hope you stay with us anyway..... hugs across the miles to you....

Seeme.... Stinky Lucy.... bahahahahaha.. I've heard it called many things but this is my favorite so far....... and your not whiny, you are tired and wanting to get off this damned merry go round.. and she can't take any nitetime meds and that just makes things even harder... any news from the Dr. today?? love ya..
Jam, the dogs in the neighborhood were howling but I didn't know you were the cause... lol, finally got that damned hair cut, yeha... and just let her ramble about the perm, that's what Alz. does to a person, they get fixated on something and all your being upset and fussing at her won't change a thing, she'll wait until your lips quit moving and say it again... welcome to my world....That;s why when someone would come in while I was taking care of Ruth, I'd say, " TAG, YOU'RE IT" , and run for the door and smoke until there were no bugs on the 50 acres....It is not going to get better..only different... love ya.
More later, love you all and am happy to see new names and hope we hear from you again.. this is a safe place to lay your troubles.... hugs across the miles to all of you..
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Hey Deb, Good for you.. I am glad to see your standing up for yourself and for what you need.
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Ladee, I am just a terrible person. Its fine. It doesn't matter. And it's not "all or nothing". I was pretty much hoping for "something" and that's not possible. But like I said, it doesn't matter. So let's all just forget it.
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Yes, Ladee, I did hear from someone today.....mom has another appt next Thurs. She is going to the pulmonist at Duke-Raleigh where she will get a lung capacity test. Right after that we will have a consult with a doctor. I do know that none of the tests she had this week were faxed to the surgeon, so the nurse and I will deal with that on Tues. We are close enough to the beach that the medical buildings around the hospital here all close on Fridays, so this weekend they will have their 4 day holiday. The surgeon has already been studying the barium enema that didn't prove the fistula, but did show the diverticulat disease.

I knew I was going to have a busy day, but so much was added on today that I have lost it with mom and hubby has lost it with me, so I am in the dumps. I just have to pick up a set of cajones and tell mom when I am doing what and she will have to live with it. We went round and round about the bath again, and I had to use 4 washcloths to get her butt clean. She was busy last night after I left the gate down.

Then I only had 5 gloves left. Hubby was going to get some from work, but that is stealing to me, so I asked him to get some from Sam's since he was getting gas there anyway and he throws a fit.......ok, get some tomorrrow.... he'll be gone tomorrow getting his new old truck, can't I remember? NO, I have SHIT on my mind.....WTF?....nevermind, I'll use my bare hands !!! Anyway, I got the bathroom cloroxed, and the towels are in the washer. Everything salvageable has been taken from the garden, except for the tomato plants, so I would like to get that done this weekend. Gotta get supper going.......later...........
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Debbie, you are not a terrible person, you are a loving and caring woman that wants to make something work, that wants her grandparents to be well cared for, and it is almost impossible to do by yourself... and there is an answer somewhere, somehow, and no, I am not going to "forget it". I care how this turns out, not only for you but your grandparents...I am sorry your mom has backed out on you... I'm sorry your gran is so hard headed and mouthy. but I am not sorry for caring about you and your situation... and the something you are wanting , well maybe you have not given it enough time to manifest itself.... I am not giving up, I am not forgetting it, I and everyone on this sight is here for you... It's ok to not have all the answers, hell, half the time I don't even know what the questions are.. but we plug along, we support each other, no matter what.. and I will send you hugs across the miles and you can just put your big girl panties on and accept them... how's that?????
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Seeme, I am sending you a Texas size hug, and a f'king box of gloves... damn it, If I thought I could put you in "time out" and everyone leave you alone for awhile I would... No fussing, no stress, no hollering, no poop, no Dr's appt's, just doing what ever you wanted for awhile... I can't, but I want to, I hope that counts... love ya bigger than the sky...
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I guess I just won't go back to school. My Uncle ways paying for it. I told him that since all help is being rejected and refused, I just can't go to school. He's going to be pretty upset because he really wanted me to do that.
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What exactly would you be doing all day if you were with them and not at school..??? Just askin'.....
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Debbie, DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR LIFE !!!!!!! you are entitled to one, and your uncle is paying for it? even better, you don't have to sweat coming up with tuition.

As bad as I am sure it is of me to say, but her refusing help, your mom refusing to help you isn't your problem, it's theirs... if they don't want to help themselves why should you feel guilty? What's that old saying? " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink?" There's another from AA,***** the only thing you can change on another person is their diaper.*****

Your Gram has to want help, and you can't make her do that.. like a alcoholic, they have to hit their bottom, she has to find out the hard way that she needs help, and until she does, there isn't anything you can do about it.

Where is your school? is it close to there? if so you can check on her each day, if you really have too, you can take a day or two off during the year to assist.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, but seeing you giving up on your life, just struck me wrong.. you see? I am 51 years old, and I did that.. I hate the thought of watching you do the same.
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Ladee, the whole problem is that I have a job, and Grama can't even keep things straight while I'm gone for that! I come home to a disaster of some kind every day all because Grama needed help with something. If I go to school, that will just take more of my time, and I obviously don't have time anymore.

Starri, they need assistance more often than a few days a week and I am already gone too much to be enough help to them. My Grandfather is on dialysis and that never goes right and then I get called home and we have to go on an hour drive to the clinic and blah blah blah. I just don't have anymore time for anything else. I don't have enough time for what I'm doing now!
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Debbie, I have looked back on this thread and I can't find where you told us about your situation. I'm sorry I only come here....don't answer many questions and wouldn't remember them if I did. So I, for one, am ignorant of your situation. I do see from your profile that you have both grandparents and I assume, since you can leave, that you must be in their house.

Ladee, Hubby did buy those gloves. He knew he didn't have that truck just yet. He's not that stupid.

I started this an hour ago and since then I have trimmed all mom's nails and polished them. Almost 8 pm now. Will read more and catch up.............
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Debbie, you are nothing short of an angel.....please remember that even in your darkest moments. Older people just don't like to admit they need help, and probably never will. We all fight aging, and giving up independence will be the hardest thing we do, next to giving up the car. IF you are LUCKY, VERY LUCKY, you might get a thank you, but I wouldn't hold my breath. To them you will always be that little grandaughter whose diapers they changed. My mom still thinks my neice Amanda is not capable of raising her own son at 25. Little does she remember that at 25 she had 4 kids under the age of 4 and was pregnant with her 5th. OH, but that was different....yah, you remember Amanda as a baby, now she's married with only one baby.......geez..........

So that is where your grandparents are coming from.
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Yes, I have talked about my situation a few different times although I can't pinpoint where. It may not have been clear to others though because it just exhausts me to go into the details.
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Deb, there is a solution, have you spoke with the local Senior Service? they can provide transportation for your gramps to his doctors appointments, check with your local social service and see about them finding you some kinda help, the Senior service can also provide day care..they just go there for a few hours aday, giving you time for work and school.

Please do not give up on your life...where are you going to be when they pass on? Me? I'm sitting here at 51, having worked low paying jobs all my life, in between trying to care for others. I have a GED, that I got at 37, I never had the chance to go to college and get a proper education. the Job force now is more and more requiring that you have a degree.. and even then you are not guaranteed to get one.

Get all the education that you can now hon, you'll need it for your future.
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Debbie, I guess we are just not getting it that your gram is so stubborn that even if you called senior social services that she would just go ballistic??? That she would refuse all help in that area??? And if they are to have any quality of care it is up to you?? Am I understanding you finally? If this is the case then you do have some very hard decisions to make.. and I feel bad for the situation you are in... sometimes life hands us a bucket of sh%t, and we just have to do the best we can... I will tell you I can not imagine the situation you are in...Of course all of us do not want you to give up school, but we are not walking in your shoes... if you do decide to just be there for your grandparents, then we will be here for you... I am sorry if we think the answers are simple, no such thing in real life... and regardless of what we say, you are going to follow your heart and do what you feel is right for you and your circumstances... all I am going to ask you to do is please keep coming here and posting your situation and what you are feeling.. we will be here for you as we are here for each other... I know you think we do not understand, but trying to relay things via cyberspace is not always easy and it takes time and it is exhausting to try and put things down where others will "get it"... I am sure everyone has our hearts in the right place, but maybe we weren't "hearing" you right.... just keep coming here and be patient with a bunch of old ladies that have taken you under our wing and hoovering over you, throwing a lot of words and suggestions at you... that's what caring old ladies do... we hoover over the young, we do the same to ASG.. She is a grown woman with 5 kids!!!!!! But she is patient with us, I know after we have all jumped on the band wagon about something in her life, I can hear her deep sigh, understand we meant it with love, and then she goes on and does what she feels is right for her and her situation.... we love ya girl, and don't want you to stop posting because we really do care... hugs to you
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Alwaystired, don't feel guilty. You can't make miracles. If your mother doesn't like your husband, she suffers to live in the same house. On the other hand, she can't ask you to choose between her and your husband. So, it is HER choice to go to a nursing home, after all. I am sorry to say so, but she seems quite bossy (my mother is bossy too....). Maybe, when she will have spent some time in a NH, she will ask you to go back home and she will be quieter and more manageable.
Let her take her own medicine... I am sorry if I seem harsh, but I have given up 90% of my life for my mother and I don't want to give up a 100%.
Again, don't feel guilty. You have made things that most of the people refuse to do.
Debbie, this is not an advice, it's a comment: I agree on your decision (of 5 or 6 posts ago) to leave your grandparents (for a while?). Maybe they will understand what you do now, and they will accept some help from outside.
'night everybody
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Ladee, yes...that is absolutely correct about my Grandmother. And I think I have to just put school off for now. Maybe my plan wasn't "the" plan. Life is not easy so matter who you are. It was never supposed to be easy. I've just never had to be responsible for anyone before, and now I'm responsible for 2 adults that practically raised me and I guess the switch in roles is not going smoothly either. I spoke with my mother today which ended in me hanging up on her because she said I chose to do this and didn't have room to complain. Oh well. She's right. I chose to do it. I have to figure out how to manage. I went down the street tonight and had a few drinks with a friend. My Grandmother seems a little nicer,lol.
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Well, you DO have the right to complain.. we all do. I choose to do this kind of work and there are days, past and present, that I am tired, confused, frustrated, and want to run away, and I CAN and DO complain.. and yes you chose it, but you are also trying to figure things out as you go... nothing wrong with that, like you said, that is life... You are encouraged to come here and have your feelings... and happy to hear you are going back to school at some point... don't be too proud to ask for help, and by that I mean, let us know when you are overwhelmed and we will tell you we understand, because we are too.. You do have the keys to the handcuffs, they are called friends... and we are here for you... hugs across the miles.. Make this old lady proud....
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Good Morning everyone, hope that you have all had a good night, mine ain't been so good, was up till 2AM and now I am looking at going back over and starting some more, have her bathroom cleaned out, now moving into the bedroom and working my way across... might be fixing to get Glenn and I kicked off the property but in my state of mind I don't really believe I am going to give a sh**, baby brother is still at his crap, he's doing the very thing that he keeps accusing Kirby and I of doing.
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Morning all...hope everyone had as decent a night as possible. Me.. Well lets see...yesterday am... I got dad bathed and had to clip his toenails..ughh but his toes are all curled up and very tender.. So he starts yelling at me...finally that over get him dressed and mom gets his breakfast. No incidents. Luckily before hair appt. I took him to bathroom...bm made it in toilet! Yaay. Hair appt was good the ladies love my parents. Mom all pretty and dad hair cut and neat. Next off to restaurant to have lunch. Well as usual dad had quite a bit on him instead of in him! I didnt even bother to ask him to lean forward. Oh we. Just cleaned him up before we left. Then back home. Got dad to bathroom. this time bmdidndt make it all the way in toilet...oh well clothes had to be changed anyway. Finally got him settled in his recliner and i went to bed...slept for a bit before he called again. Back to bathroom. Back to bed. Then soup and
sandwiches for dinner. Thankfully he wantsto be in bed a 8 so that was uneventful. I did really good all the little grumpy things he said to me rolled rigt off. He only called me 3 time during the night which is better than most.
Today we have a sitter coming from 9 to 7. Cant wait! Love my parents but sure do need time away.
We all sign on to take care of our loved ones cause we think it is best. We can't imagine at the time how complicated things will get and we just "know" the rest of thefamily will be ther to help when needed. Ha then reality sets in...years go by they get sicker and more needful. You ask for help from family...all kind of excuses come along so you stop asking. Who wants to beg!so you go along as best you can. I keep looking for help from area. At least i was able to get them meals on wheels so I only have to cook two meals instead of three. They don't have much respite help here no day places to get them away from home for awhile. Many sataes even have the funds thatyou can apply to be paid for caregiving. Not here in mississippi. Oh well. My mom who is doing pretty good is very independent! She doesn't think she needs help. So when i try to give her a physical hand she says I can do it! No matter that she has tripped over her feet, fallen cause she stood on a step ladder. At least I was able to get her to quit taking baths and use shower. She had a TIA the last time and it was sceaming all theway to get her out. Like someone said it is hard for them to let go of their independence and have to depend on someone else. If dad was able to walk, there would have been no way in h##l that I would have gotten help.even thoug when he was walking it was more like shuffling and falling. My brothersays hewill try to help as much as he can... But i have seen him twice since last august. I did beg him to come so i could help my daughter on her wedding day. He did stay a few daysand really did make a difference. We had her wedding here so that her grandparents could be here. That was March. Then dad had a birthday and fathers day rigt behind. He couldn't come for the weekend but I told him how much parents would enjoy seeing him and it was fathers day! So he actually came for the day. Who lnow when he will come again. I have told him i really need some time to get away with hubby.. His answer is we will try to work something out. Oh well.
Debbie, just wanted you to know we all sign on because we love and want the best for our family. I quit my job and thankfully my husbands job pays our bills. We buy groceries and gas with parents money. I am going on 54 my son and his wife had a child. They live away...I have seen grandbaby twice. She is a year now. My daugter had to move further away so we wont get to see here as often. I love my parents and really would't chane anything. If you read earlier posts.. I have had many pity parties and I am sure I will continue to vent. Ifeel pretty decent today cause I have had some much needed rest.
Just take one day one hour at a time. Look for alternativesto help..if you want to go to school. Try taking online classes so that when you are able to go full time you it wont seem so intimidating. Get away when you can. Glad you had drinks with friend. We all need time outs! Do what your heart tells you. You are a fantastic person... You are caring for others because you want better for them. Remember you are doing the best you can and it IS good enough.
Thanks forthis thread as it has truly helped me to get ou fellings and rant with no judgements. Glad you all are here. Time to start another day!!
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Morning, my cat woke me up thinking I was late for work,,, I'll kill her after my second cup of coffee....
Starri, hope you aren't doing too much and then crash and burn... but I understand wanting to get it done before the "ugly brothers" come swooping in.. I call my sisters the "ugly sisters" so if the shoe fits.... can't fix stupid...
Vic, I do admire your struggle to keep a positive attitude. and letting the comments roll off your back helps a lot... they love to get a reaction and when they realize you have moved to another place in your mind and don't play anymore, it's not near as much fun as seeing daughter turning that funny color and the veins standing out in her head and neck...hmm, she just smiled and walked away,,, BUT THEN she got on the computer and blasted away.... yeha, what ever works for us to keep our sanity... if what we are is sane, there would be no one to tell us otherwise.. so it is win win for us....
Starri, don't work too hard and Vic enjoy your time away today..... hugs to you both...
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Morning, All.....mom screamed again, but not until 6 am, so I just let her go till 8 and then got up. She was on such a roll I hated to stop her. She was getting rid of things at her house......which was done 5 years ago now. Got her all cleaned up and dressed and she is in the kitchen with her "bear" blanket. Breakfast done and now I am taking a shower next.

Hubby has gone with a friend to an early breakfast and to get his truck. Won't see hime till this afternoon sometime. Whatever......I get to finish ironing, finish laundry, and vaccuum.....maybe even dust if I get a wild hair......and looks like the kitchen floor is STILL sticky from the kool-aid spill. Whine, Whine.

Vic, I don't know how you keep such a positive attitude !! I want whatever you are on.......double......please share.........

Ladee, I 've wondered if cats are as structured as dogs are. Mine knew when it was time to eat, what days we were off because the morning routine changed, and they got pissed if we didn't go to bed on time. Gee, I want a pet so bad.

Starri, did your folks own the house and you can take your time? I keep thinking of my mom and dad's and there was no taking time. At a fast pace, it still took 3 months to clean out. Hoarding and living in the same house for 54 years........ well, if I don't start now, I will never get that shower, so.....later................
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Seeme, why can't you have a pet??? They can relieve so much stress. Now don't get me wrong, it has to be the Diva's idea if she is petted, fed, talked to, ect... she is in charge of the universe and let's me live here with her... she will only respond to a certain tone of voice, does NOT like BG, which makes me love her even more...But she is 15 yrs, old, she has been the only constant thing in my life for many years, and I will be destroyed when she is gone... but I love her old grumpy self and can not imagine her not being here doing the zigzag walk in front of me when I am in a hurry... I wish you had a pet too....

Cleaning out the house.... well the sperm donor ( the DAD) sold all of my mothers stuff before we had a chance to get anything we wanted.. no one wanted his junk so have no idea who has it... don't care...so have not had the experience of having to clean out a house.... the greedy bastard did it for us...

Glad you got some kind of sleep, have you considered "pillow therapy", just askin'?
Hope you get the kool aid off the floor before the bun buns realize it is there... now that would keep her quite for a few minutes wouldn't it,,, something for you to think about..
It's too damned hot to do anything, think I am going to draw zentangles today and relax my brain... love to all...
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Hubby is being a harda$$ about the dogs because I want 2 OES and they get big in a hurry. If they were to jump on mom one time, they would probably skin her alive. Her skin is sssoooooo fragile. Plus, to train them would take time away from mom and I don't have enough time as it is. Really, he's right. Doesn't mean I still don't want them. Doesn't mean I don't envy those of you who have them.....
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I have a bird. They are gentle and fragile and easy to train. :)
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Just get a itty bitty dog for right now, a pound puppy that is a little older and not need training....
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I don't know Debbie, does your bird talk??? If it can say Seeme's name and hollers I doubt that would work for her, it would be in the stew pot for dinner...
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No. Lulu is a lovebird. She's a small breed of parrot and they don't talk like the big birds do. They aren't noisy either if you only have one. They make some whistles and chirps but I really enjoy her little noises.
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well give that little sweet girl a kiss from me.. she is pretty.. how long have you had her?
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