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The cable service sucks… I'm delighted to hear it, she must be feeling sooooo much better to have noticed! :) Very good news, hope her recovery continues more smoothly from here.
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Good news. It's comforting to see a positive report after the trauma you and your mother endured.

And it's good she's complaining! If the soup is too hot, she must have an appetite and is hungry. If she doesn't like the cable line up (and who does?) she must be interested in watching tv.

I'm so glad this journey is back on track and headed in the right direction.

And thanks for keeping us updated.
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Wow, what terrific news!

I'm wondering if there is anyway that the Hospital/rehab could be convinced to reset the clock given the errors. Couldn't hurt to ask.
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That's such good news after all you've both been through! I'm so happy for both of you.
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Well, today Mom was discharged back to rehab, apparently it picks back up where she left off. The good news is that she clearly feels better since the surgery. No pain (some discomfort but not the crippling pain like before), her posture and movements are way better and mentally I see real progress as she's emerging from that awful fog she was in. She still has a long way to go but the difference is obvious. Today she was complaining but this time it was about "typical" things..."this soup is still too hot, the cable service here sucks" and etc. It really is terrific to see her sitting up and reaching for things, I even detected a bit of an attitude from her today which, given her prior state, is actually good to see!

This time around they'll be able to focus on treating her actual maladies instead of guessing and I think there's at least a fighting chance that eventually she'll be able to return home. I'm not sweating the money end so much this time around, they're just going to have to accept a payment plan as she simply doesn't have a huge lump sum to plop down right now. She has around 25-30 days of those $157 copays to cover which isn't insurmountable or anything. She probably needs a few days of post-op recovery before she can do any real PT and again, this time around it's not going to be a rush job. Still waiting for her biopsy results although her specialist was guardedly optimistic re: that.
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Nothing really going on today, Mom's all sleepy and groggy as I figured she'd be. I mean I'm exhausted too and I'm younger and didn't just have back surgery. Plus I know that strong drugs always send her on her way for a while, exactly why she's always been wary of them.

Today I was informed that she's been accepted back into rehab (the same one) which means I'll be discussing money again with these people. It has to go differently this time around, though, that's for sure. I also heard from another Medicaid "pre-screener" today for some reason and wow, what a grim robot she was. Apparently it's all done by mail here. You apply and a few months later you either get a card or a rejection letter. First she told me that Mom probably "gets too much" to be eligible and then she asked me if her house was "listed yet". I mean they don't even try to pretend they're not coming for everything. When I asked re: exceptions she pretty much sneered at me before explaining my options there. Not pleasant.
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Congratulations! If you think about it, your mom could have just received the best medical care available to anyone on any insurance plan, after what was most likely mistakes in her diagnosis that you could have sued for. Bless you and youf mom.
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Babalou: I hope that's the case, as IMO she really needs at least a day or two of steady observation without being lugged and shuffled around a lot. I know how she is regarding anesthesia and pain meds and IMO she'll still be sort of foggy and groggy for a lot of the day tomorrow. This is the first surgery she's ever had and I'm sure it's been a lot for her to handle, although by all accounts she did very well before during and so far, after. So maybe another day of rest without being bounced around an ambulance and being admitted to rehab again would be a wise idea.

But then again, nothing would really surprise me at this point. I could very well get a call tomorrow morning (sixty seconds into my wake-up shower, no doubt) informing me that she's waiting at the curb in the rain for me to pick her up and I'd better make the Medicaid appointment immediately but the office is closed until Thursday. This hospital SW (#6) keeps telling me she'll call and set me up with an appointment, then the next day she acts like the day before never happened. So I'm assuming I'll just end up doing it myself and really it's just easier and less frustrating that way anyhow. IF she gave me the correct number this time, that is.
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Great news! This has been quite a journey for you and your mother but it's so encouraging that you're in the recovery and improvement phase now.

You have a lot to be proud of; were it not for your persistence, those fractures may never have been discovered.
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Dmanbro,
I would double and triple check on any civil action to recover damages for your mom's medical treatment. I would confirm if recovering any money would disqualify her for Medicaid Or if she would have to spend it, before she would qualify. I don't know the answer, but I would confirm that recovering damages wouldn't hurt her in the Medicaid process. There is no guarantee of what amount she might get, but unless it's an awful lot, it might not be enough to pay for her care for that long, but just enough to mess up her qualification.
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I'm happy to hear the procedure went well and they were able to treat both fractures. I hope you can get a bit of rest now that she's in ICU. Make sure to take care of yourself. As you've learned, this is a marathon and not a sprint and you need to make sure you have enough downtime to recharge your own batteries.
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As long as you can still chuckle.....

Glad the procedure went well and that she's in CCU where they monitor your every breath. Hold steady, this looks like it's starting to go well.

I think having the cardiologist involved may slow down the discharge drums....
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Update: the procedure went very well, the doctor was able to treat both fractures today and they took the biopsy too. Her cardiologist recommended that she be placed in ICU for post-op recovery so she's there now, sound asleep and way out of it. Pleased she got through it so well.

Babalou: Yup, that's it. Also, we have a shared account so accessing it isn't a problem. She was "bilked" out of some money a few years back so at that point I began helping her out with that stuff. I also have a little money put aside that I can use if need be, not a lot but it's a start.

Social workers...(sigh). Today I heard from #6 (I number them now, it's easier that way) and she asked me if I've contacted "ABC" regarding a Medicaid appt. I said, uh, no, you gave me "XYZ's" number and told me to line up an appt. with her and all I get is a "this VM box is full" message. "No, I said ABC"..."no, you said XYZ, I wrote it all down" and etc. All I could do was laugh, it's so absurd sometimes.
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Kyphoplasty, i think is the name of the procedure.

With regard to payment, just remember that you are using mom's money for these expenses. I seem to recall you are not POA? So you are not signing anything with your own name.
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Sometimes our little ones act out for us, but once we leave, they go about and play, no one around to put on a show. Maybe bring a treat. When you finish your workout mom, I have a treat waiting for you in your room? No, I can't tell you now mom, when you finish, you can find out.
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GA: Hopefully it all goes well, it's supposed to be relatively non-invasive and she'll be under for it. Obviously at her age there's always some risk but right now it's her best shot at real pain management. I know she wants to feel better, she's still fighting and hopefully this helps.
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I suppose you talk to her, tellin her, we are raising your head now, ok? On the count of three, we will push the button together. Count 1, 2, 3, ok mom PUSH THAT BUTTON!!.. Make it fun.Keep asking her if it's high enough? How is that mom? Do you want it higher? Ok, lets go again. Put heer finger on the trigger, and say Mom you COUNT THIS TIME. Make it a game. So simple math to get to the next number... Or say, when get to her favorite color purple, we raise the legs a bit... ect etc...make it fun. Bring carosoul music in...Good Luck.
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Dman, you're way ahead of me but I'm glad to learn that the specialists are right on top of the issues and plan to use what I understand are cutting edge technologies.

It also must be very gratifying to see a smile on your mother's face and know that she's feeling better.
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GA: This actually IS the second opinion, they brought in a specialist who's worked with this sort of thing with the elderly before. And they're actually using the procedure you described above too, they're also doing the biopsy at the same time. How they'll treat the second fracture remains to be seen. I can say that as Mom's pain has been somewhat relieved she's clearly much more comfortable and lucid. I can see her "real" personality coming through again, she's still confused and a little disoriented but the relief on her face is palpable. She seems to understand her injury and in a weird way finally knowing what's going on has given her a little peace of mind. Me too.

Babalou: Working on that right now. I'm supposed to meet with the Medicaid person late this week (apparently she only sees applicants on Thurs. and Fridays). They're already pushing re: discharge, however I'm "tuning it out" until I see how her procedure goes first. She might return to the rehab center (under a different protocol, obviously), however the copay is an issue right now so I have to work out some sort of payment plan there (again). As hesitant as I was to bring her home before, I'm definitely not going to mess around with a spinal injury, as I already feel terrible enough about how her prior rehab stint played out.
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I'm not suggesting challenging or questioning the doctors, but I definitely would get a second opinion from a renowned spinal specialist as to the prediction of never walking again. That's a major life changer.

I can't speak intelligently to the specific procedures or details, but I recall reading about various new techniques, including one using a type of medical cement to encase and stabilize the fractures. Again, I didn't pay much attention to the details as the whole issue unsettled me, so don't rely on my "interpretation", but do check on the availability of alternate options.
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I think that's good news, that the procedure will result in less pain.

Make sure that the discharge folks are working on identifying a facility that will take mom as "Medicaid Pending".
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Heard from one of Mom's specialists today, she actually has two fractures in two different places. They're planning on trying to stabilize one tomorrow and they're going to do a biopsy at the same time. His prognosis is that she won't walk again and that this procedure is more about pain management than anything else. He says one of the fractures appears to have been present for some time, the other appears to be newer. He says the procedure is relatively non-invasive so it isn't "major" surgery, although it's major enough for her, of course. Wish the news was happier, although relieving her pain is a real priority right now so I hope this helps resolve that for her at least to a degree.

Visiting later, then back to the Medicaid paper chase. Almost there, but still need a few documents. I really want to resolve that too so I can maybe get back to some semblance of a "normal" life again. The toughest jobs I've ever held were cakewalks next to this, I can tell you that. Thanks to all for the well-wishes!!!
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With regard to "the crowd" that accompanies mom's doctor: if I'm not mistaken, those are residents or fellows, either new doctors training in their specialty or doctors who have finished residency and are going on for further specialized training. It means mom's doc is a clinical professor (a VERY good thing) and that there are lots of good young brains in the room. Lots of knowledge and oversight makes for things NOT getting overlooked. Just my opinion.
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Dman, you're literally breaking new ground - your mother is not well and has experienced a fracture of which you were unaware, you're thrust into the medical world of rehab care and complicated insurance issues.... I think it's probably a good comparison to suggest that all of the markers of your life have changed and you're walking a new route with few guideposts or signs.

It's normal I think to be suspicious, and dare I say, frustrated? I'm guessing that probably most of those here have gone through the intense, or rather "acute" episodes inbetween more calm and less traumatic periods.

It is and perhaps should be a learning experience, which you can leverage later to act as a guideline if other unusual events occur.

I wouldn't necessarily suggest that your concern is "natural cynicism", but if you think it is, ask yourself (at some calm moment like a Sunday morning) how it can work FOR you, by thinking like the medical people do, putting yourself in their place, and trying to envision handling many patients a day with multiple problems. But more importantly, how can you make it work for your mother?

But it is wonderful to read that your mother and you both had a better day and that the steroids are helping alleviate the pain - WONDERFUL!! - Going forward now, not quite full speed ahead but pointed in the right direction!

And do spend today working or just "putzing" around the house and relaxing, preparing for a possibly challenging but also rewarding week as your mother recovers and returns to her previous levels of stability.
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dmanbro, this makes me think of something that I can be so guilty of myself. People can say that an elder is doing something because they are being old, spiteful, afraid, or getting dementia. But sometimes there is really something there. I am glad that the vertebra was finally seen. I feel terrible for your mother and you for what you both went through. I know that learning about the injury won't fix it, but at least now you have a better idea of what needs to be done. Big hugs to both of you.
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Dmanbro, well done Houston, we have lift-off. Things seem to be looking better.
If it is blood at the fracture site, maybe that will resolve with the steroid tx. or on it's own. Have a better night.
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GA: Thanks for the perspective, it really helps and gives me a different way of viewing things that are still very new to me, as I've never been this deep within the medical world before. Perhaps I need to temper my natural cynicism at times. I really do appreciate the kind words. And yeah, 100% correct re: the damn phone, I was able to find a good spot to pull over and complete the call properly, as I really didn't want to play phone tag with these folks all week long. It wasn't an altogether worthless call as he did provide me with a little Medicaid info I didn't know before, so there's that.

On a more positive note, the treatment Mom has received so far (a steroid treatment to reduce swelling in the affected area) seems to have done a bit of good as she was able to move her legs upon request today for the first time in at least three-plus weeks. Not a lot of movement, but movement nonetheless. She was a bit sharper than usual today as well, which was nice to see too. So far I'm pleased with her current doctors and her overall care, although I still feel so bad about all the time that was wasted prior to this. She still has further tests and consultation scheduled but right now any progress at all is a positive IMO. The best days are the ones with hope as opposed to the endless drudgery, bad news and constant mazes of red tape. While it was a small thing and not a reason for celebration or anything, it was really heartening to see. That lady still has some fight in her, it made my whole day!

What a long, long week. Visiting tomorrow early in the day then concentrating on completing household tasks to free up time during the week, time I'll undoubtedly need. A normal day at home doing normal everyday things will do me some good IMO. The more stressed I get, the more angry I get and before you know it I'm griping about everything. I will most definitely keep you awesome people posted, thanks to everyone following my lengthy thread, you've all been a real "port in a storm" through these trying days!
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Dman, commenting on your answer to CM:

Many patients don't want to know the details of their illnesses, nor do their families. They just want to feel better. Not all patients and/or their families are willing to be diligent and/or do research to communicate on the medical level with the physician team.

It does take awhile for them to realize that you want to be informed of major issues, plans, etc. For the last several years, doctors turn directly to me to speak of Dad's medical issues, but I've also done my homework so I can communicate as much as possible on their level.

I think in my case working for attorneys predisposed me to be almost obsessive about gathering data, and it worked out to my benefit even though I can look back at some notes and not be able to make sense of what I wrote at the time.

Sometimes a way to establish a higher level of communication is to speak in medical terms. Medical people don't know immediately what level of medical knowledge you have or how much you're involved with your mother's care.

But it can quickly be established if you ask questions to get more details on everything, and if you take copious notes, do your research and then follow up.

And keep a notebook with you and do take those copious notes.

That was one reason why I gravitated out of any kind of law that dealt directly with injured people. They don't understand the legal issues, nor are they willing to learn. They wanted to talk about their pain, their discomfort, their anger. Sure, they're legitimate concerns. But I needed to know specific details about their accident - the issues that address liability. Attorneys can have the same problems with clients.

As to the team of doctors, don't be intimidated; generally they're residents. It's part of making rounds and it's not rude. It's one of the ways they learn to interact with patients from experienced doctors. I always saw it as a means to help them help me by addressing medical issues on as much of a level as possible as they did.

Why would you feel intimidated, tense and/or rudeness? They're not there to interrogate you but rather to get updates so see this as an opportunity to further your care of your mother by speaking with more people who are in a position to help.

Remember, they don't know you're driving in heavy traffic; if you don't want calls, turn your cell phone off. And actually for safety purposes you shouldn't be on your phone while driving anyway.
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Countrymouse: Thanks. Right now (and I stress "right now") I'm finally happy with the doctors working her case as they're keeping me in the loop. I can't say I felt that way during her prior hospital/rehab stays. I'm still annoyed that no one considered doing any further tests to figure out why she was having these mobility problems until I told the rehab SW that I was refusing to take her home, as the timing of it all seemed very "let's cover our asses" to me. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it did seem suspicious. As it turned out, these tests that I previously lobbied for DID reveal the injury, so IMO a lot of grief may have been avoided if they'd done them a little sooner. Re: thinking out loud, I'm with you 100% on that front. Nothing's worse than having a "surprise" decision thrown at you in a split second.

An aside: you know what I hate the most? When you're at a hospital and the doctor finally comes in to speak to you and he/she arrives with an entire team of other doctors who just stand there in the background. It's intimidating and it causes unneeded tension, not to mention it's rude IMO.

And yet another social worker to deal with today, as the Medicaid screener person finally called me back at 11:45am on a Saturday, while I was driving in heavy traffic, natch. Do they have a knack for terrible timing or what? Must be a qualification for the job.
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Dman, was the attorney who declined to assist with a potential med mal case an elder law or a medical malpractice trial attorney? Makes a big difference. I wouldn't even consider hiring an elder law attorney to handle a case such as your mother's - you definitely want a med mal attorney with trial experience.

So I need to retract any statements I made earlier about recommending estate planning and elder law attorneys. The issue has shifted now if you're considering actionable events.

As to the social workers, I'd say they're not "all on the same page" to rely on an overworked expression.


I write this not in defense of anyone, but just to clarify the issues surrounding potential negligence.

1. I don't recall the original reason for the hospitalization, but if one was for anemia, I'm not sure it would have been medically justified to check for spinal fractures. In other words, Medicare likely wouldn't have reimbursed for the x-ray or and MRI to check for spinal fractures if nothing was mentioned or discussed of possible leg or spinal pain during that hospitalization.

2. Same issue would apply to the rehab facility. Absent indication of a spinal or fracture issue, there might not have been reason (i.e., medical reimbursement) to justify x-rays.

However, I won't deny that light bulbs and big question marks should have been raised when your mother expressed so much resistance to therapy.

A possible suggestion could have been to take her to one of the hospitals for out-patient x-rays, or to take her to an orthopedic physician for examination.

CM offers some good suggestions into this process. Unfortunately, hindsight is better than foresight.
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