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I feel like I shouldn't complain, some of you guys on here have it REALLY tough with mentally and/or physically ill parents. I am lucky, my 81 yo mom is healthy and active. That's part of the problem, really. My wife and I are very much loners, always have been. Our best 'date' night is steaks and a movie - at home - and we like it that way. That's why we get along so well, we are both introverted and extroverts make us a little crazy. I don't think we realized that Mom would talk, 24/7, about anything and everything that enters her mind. "Time to make some coffee now!"; "Guess I'm going to have a banana!"; "Going out to get the mail!"...that sort of thing. In addition to this, she's VERY passive aggressive. We are accustomed to saying what we think when we think it, asking for what we want when we want it, and are very unused to someone forever asking "Wouldn't you guys like it better if the coffee maker were over HERE?" "Wouldn't it help you if I would organize under your sink?". This is constant and we are about to go crazy. NO, we like the coffee maker where it is, thanks and NO we don't need our shelves 'organized', thanks. Our new constant phrase is "No mom, thanks, we don't need for that to be done". We have tried to make her feel useful by mentioning some things she CAN do to help, but that is usually met with resistance. She's also wanting us to go places and do things with her that we just have no interest in. She lived alone prior to this and went out on her own all the time to make friends and be social. Keep in mind that she is completely physically able to be out by herself, so that's not the issue...would be a different story if she weren't. Sorry for the rant but we could really use some advice from anyone who has experienced a similar problem. We HAVE tried to talk with her, nicely, about how we just really like to be left alone most of the time and she says that is a "cold" and "unnatural" way to live. Uuggghhh. Nooooo, not for us it isn't. No children living with us, I'm 46 and my wife is 60. She has grown kids living in another state, I do not have children so at least that's not an issue! Again. .sorry for the rant.

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A person with strong social drive and a need to be doing things does quite well at Independent Living or in Assisted Living, where there are activities morning noon and night, social dining, bus trips and entertainment. Like going on a cruise that never leaves the dock. Have her try it for a month.
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My mom was always wanting to "do stuff" and rearrainge.. after awhile we just left her. She was bored and trying to keep busy. My hubs and I are like you,, we rarely go out. had just gotten daughter moved out..... opps, here came the folks. We do take her to the casino once every 6 weeks or so. Could you get her a church or a volunteer situation so she has some outside interests, and you get a break?
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Thank you for the suggestion - we did discuss it. Problem was that she 'wasn't ready' for IL or AL and we had recently bought a house. We would have done that anyway...but probably would have gone smaller if she didn't want to move here to be closer to us. She moved across country with a million boxes of stuff that we just got moved in and still have tons of stuff piled in the garage (another issue, we are minimalists, she's a pack rat). The original plan was for her to come stay with us a few months to see how it went but the expense of her going back and forth and keeping her residence there proved to be quite a bit so she just...moved here. She does go to events at the places you mentioned, though.
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"Wasn't ready" for AL or IL? Actually she sounds like a perfect candidate. Given that she's gregarious and outgoing, perhaps it's time for a nice casual, nonthreatening chat to explain your lifestyle and YOUR home life vs. what she wants. If there's enough room for her to have a little apartment in her own area of your house, she could manage that to her heart's content, but clearly she's a dominant personality in terms of the way she wants to order her surroundings, so some accommodation needs to be made if she's to continue to live with you.

If she's really uncomfortable with the way your house is arranged, it might be time to re-introduce the concept of AL or IL.

The idea of finding activities for her is a good one though; sounds like she's fairly mobile, so she could find not only activities in which to become involved, but charitable work as well.

Meals on Wheels needs help delivering meals to homebound seniors; they might need assistance in packing the meals as well. Hospitals sometimes have need for people in gift shops; the VA in our area has someone to go from one area to another in the outpatient building and offer reading material to patients and family waiting to be seen.

Food pantries need help sorting and assembling (and perhaps organizing, which your mother might enjoy). Some senior centers also need staffing help.

Animals shelters might need help working with the animals; some libraries have programs by which children read to therapy dogs; an older person might be appropriate as well if she has a soft, comforting voice.

There are groups that make crocheted, knitted and quilted items for military personnel, for babies in NICU units.

She could also call 211 and ask which charities might need volunteer help.

I'm not clear - has she actually sold her house?
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She's not really a church person but we are trying to get her out and about as much as possible! Part of the problem too is that I work from home and my wife works nights. So I'm on my own all day with her - and it's difficult to explain that while I'm in my office, I'm working. If I were to go to a 9-5 she certainly wouldn't call me every five minutes with questions but it's ok to come in my home office every five minutes!
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Why did she move in with you in the first place? You all sound like very nice folks but I think you made a huge mistake. It's just a matter of incompatibility. I would be trying to figure out how to undo this.
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She moved in because she lived thousands of miles away and I am her only child. She has buried two husbands. All of her friends are dying and we couldn't move back to be close to her ad still make a living. We have had the nice casual, nonthreatening chat to explain our lifestyle and our home life vs. what she wants. She has her own wing, where she can do whatever she wants to her hearts content. I was speaking more from a psychological standpoint. I guess this is not the place for me to talk, I did not mean to offend anyone.
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Sansnems - I certainly can't see that you have offended anyone. To better offer fitting suggestions to help, commenters may be asking questions in hopes of understanding the "big picture". For my two cents I agree with Pamstegma. Independent Living could be a great fit for your mother. I know it took a lot of work getting mom moved in but being as at her age she is unlikely to change - a perhaps even get more clingy and dependent on you, wouldn't it be worth the effort to move her into IL if that could solve your problem? Do some homework and find a couple nice retirement communities in your area. Tour them and if you think it's an even remote possibility mom would like it - take her for a tour. Maybe mom just needs to see one up close and in action to erase any nursing home type fears. The one my mom lived in was so posh I actually hope that if it comes down to it - I can live in a place like that. Small putting golf course, health spa with pool and state of the art equipment, hair salon, art studio with classes, movie theater - and not a dinky one either, coffee shop, ice cream store, on site bank, non denominal church, two restaurants/dining room, housekeeping, bus trips to the beach, casino, symphony, museums, botanical gardens...I could go on and on. All the ladies I saw who lived there took pride in their appearance and looked fabulous. They lunched, played bridge, had book clubs - did that Red Hat thing. Are you sure that type of life couldn't temp a social butterfly like your mom?
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You have every right to expect privacy in your office. Make it off-limits.
Spring is coming, set her up with a garden-and a garden companion to help her. You all will adjust. This is doable.
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She sounds so lonely! I agree that touring some senior living places would be a good idea.
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Maybe I wasn't clear. We already did all of the research into IL and AL facilities in the area. Toured them. They are lovely. But they are also expensive and we just purchased a house with room for her. She is the LEAST lonely person I know. She is active on social media and keeps in contact with friends around the world. She is also out and about here playing bridge, exercising, etc. This was a well thought out and difficult decision and we didn't make a 'huge mistake' that needs to be rectified. Thank you, sendme2help, that's the kind of input I'm looking for. The situation is what it is, we just are looking for any suggestions on how to manage it. It might help to know that I am an only child and was raised primarily by her after my father died when I was aged 8. She still is in that mode where she needs to 'take care of me' and I understand that. I need suggestions on how to ease her into a situation where she is our "housemate" and learn to respect our adult lives as they are. She has two full rooms (bed and living) and her own bathroom that she can do with whatever she pleases.
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Put a sign on your office door that says "Unless the house is burning down do not disturb."

You and your wife cannot control your mother...physically or psychologically. The problem I see with her accommodations is that she doesn't have a kitchenette, which brings her into your kitchen whenever she wants a banana or coffee. Is there space in her living area for a Pullman kitchen? Can you reconfigure her wing into a lockoff unit? Lockoffs are great because whether you want the door open or privacy it's easy.

Maybe I missed it but does your mother still drive?
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Great idea about the sign on the office door! And yes, part of the problem is her coming into the kitchen a lot. Reconfiguration is not doable at the moment due to expense. Another problem is that we were going to install a door to her 'wing' (it's really not that grandiose, don't want to come off sounding pompus) but she says it will make her claustrophobic. We have a (nice looking) gate that we have installed as a temporary to keep the dogs out of there but it clangs open and shut 20 times a day.

Honestly, just saying all of this is helping. A big problem I have is that the two people closest to me aside from my wife I can't talk to about all of the complaints I have. One, my best friend since high school, just lost here mom a few months ago and she is grieving terribly. The other is my cousin, my mom's sister's daughter. My mother and she are very close and she's sad that mom moved cross country to be with me, so can't complain to HER. I appreciate just being able to get it all out. It honestly helps!
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Oh - and sorry to whomever asked - yes she drives and is out and about most days at least for a little while.
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And also sorry for all of the posts but what's a lockoff unit exactly?
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Does she do any crafts? Could you buy her a box of yarn and a pattern and ask her to crochet you an afghan? Does she do well with kids? Sounds like she would love to read books to kids at the library! She needs a couple of senior friends to go to the movies and play cards with!

I can see how her constant asking could wear you down!
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ROFLMAO Mincemeat, you just gave me a laugh. Not laughing AT your comment of course. However, the backstory is that my mother started crocheting me an afghan about 15 years ago. Finally gave it to a friend to complete and got it to me a couple of years ago. Our dog promptly tore it apart. So...she sent it back to same friend to repair. That was about four years ago. I still don't have it back. Lol. She really is very resourceful in finding things to do, the problem is when she's HERE. You guys are giving me a new attitude though, and making me appreciate the things she DOES do to help. I wasn't feeling well today and she asked if I needed anything from the store. I said sure, if she didn't mind. She's thrilled to go to help us out. I gave her a list about a mile long! Win/win. :-)
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Okay sansem, I got it. Sorry for being a little slow on the up-take. You want mom there but keeping busy with her own thing. I totally get where you are coming from in regards to yours and your wifes life style. My hubby and I are the same - not introverts but kind of loners in our way, two loners who by miracle found each other. So how to keep mom busy? Can you say what state you live in to get an idea of climate? Also, when she lived on her own how did she spend time that did not involve socialization? How physically fit is mom? What type of setting do you live in - rural, urban etc?
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I've been thinking about your situation. How long has your mom been there? It occurs to me that maybe the constant announcing of intent might stem from feeling a little uncomfortable in her new environment and not wanting to step on toes. Announcing that she's going to make coffee or get a banana is a way of "getting permission" to do so and this could pass in time. You might try telling her next time she makes such an announcment "mom, you don't need to tell us every time your going to do something, this is your home now - just go ahead and do it". Also, while a mini kitchen install isn't in the cards could you set up a small area with a mini fridge and small microwave like they do in dorm rooms?
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We are in southern Texas. Mom is as physically fit as a 60 year old and goes to Silver Sneakers a few times a week. She has lived alone for 8 years (and did so for many years before meeting my step dad in 1997 or so) and spens her alone time playing her piano keyboard (which she brought and still plays) reading, etc. She has been here since Thanksgiving. We did try to let her know she can just go ahead and do things. We are not really trying to find things for her to do, rather, whenever she is in the room with us she seems to need to talk talk talk all of the time, whether is announcing what she is doing or giving us detailed information on all of her friends. If we are watching a movie for example, during one of our rare opportunites to do so, we need to pause it and wait while she comes through talking every 20 minutes. She has her rooms so jam packed we could never fit even a dorm fridge. I acually suggested that "for convenience" and she said she prefers to come out so we can visit. Lol. These visits consist of us not saying a word and just waiting it out.
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Well, bummer! It's such a wonderful thing when us loners can find someone we can sit in silence with and be perfectly content! Our adult son who lives at home is autistic and completely non-verbal, hours can pass at our house without a word being spoken. I guess simply not replying to mom doesn't work? Some people find silence awkward and uncomfortable and seem to chatter all the more to fill the space. Can you and your wife hide out in your room for a while - in an effort to get your mom to develope some new routines on her own?
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I think you might inadvertently be encouraging her by "waiting it out." She may have no clue from that action/inaction that you're not interested in a discussion.

Perhaps you could borrow from what used to be a kindergarten practice - talk, play, then rest time. Create times when you socialize, such as at breakfast, then perhaps at lunch and at dinner. Other times are either work or quiet times.

And for someone who either has been out of the work force for awhile, or wasn't ever in it, she may not understand or realize that when you're in your office, chatting isn't on the agenda.

I'm wondering if she really has any idea how you and your wife feel about the talking?
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GardenArtist has a good point about the ability to recognize what working from home looks like - probably not a lot of that done in her day. My brother use to work for a well known computer/software developer. He worked in product development and was one of those geeks that just thinks stuff up. When ideas hit, they hit and he worked in his home office at all hours. It became an issue in his marriage that his wife would just walk in and start talking - throwing my brother completely off his train of thought. The only way that they came to deal with it was that when he was in there no one was allowed to even knock on the door - unless the house was on fire or the like. Maybe it's a boundary you could start from?
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A lockoff door is the kind they use at resorts and hotels to separate two rooms.
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can so appreciate what you are going through. Dh and I are also very quiet and it would drive me nuts to have that peace and quiet interrupted all the time, especially by my mom's constant chattering. I would always be on edge waiting for the next interruption.

I see this as two situations: your work time and the general  "living" time. Work really needs to be respected and she needs to be told to "pretend I'm  not even here". I don't remember if your office has a door, but if so, close it and the instruction to "don't knock unless the place is burning down" would be appropriate. Wearing headphones - not earbuds, the wireless headphones she can see (whether or not you're actually using them) - would also go a long way toward maintaining your 'cone of silence' even if you step out of the office for a bit.

For general coexisting, it will be trickier. She's been there a while and doesn't seem to be picking up on whatever social cues you and spouse are demonstrating that make it clear you prefer quiet. If that's case, you might have to actually say something if you want things to change. Something like, "Mom, we love you, but we like a quiet house and we really need our down time together. We'd really appreciate it if you just enjoy the peace and quiet with us instead of talking so much.

I like the suggestion of having some time where you DO talk, such as meals, so that she gets a chance to speak and be social, participate in the household, and basically 'get it out of her system', so she'll be more able to enjoy her quiet time too.

Good luck. You're blessed that she is healthy, active, and very social to begin with, and that you have such a good relationship going into this.
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Thanks everyone, this all really helps! We realize how lucky we are to have her healthy, and we are glad she is here - don't get me wrong about that. We just sometimes want to pull our hair out!!! We do have earphones (the wireless ones) and she does get it that when they're on, we're busy. She knows full well she talks all of the time, even jokes about it sometimes. So she knows, just isn't interested in changing it. Good idea to schedule "social time". Meals don't really work since DW works nights, we don't actually have your typical bkfst/lunch/dinner times....but we could schedule an alternate time. Tesoro12 said it well when it's like we're always on edge waiting for the next interruption. We have hid out in our room, too. Lol. I think Rainmom hit the nail on the head - some people, like my mom, find silence awkward and want to fill it with idle chatter. We are completely on the other end of the spectrum. When DW and I met, she said something to the effect of "It's so nice, I can be alone when I'm with you" and I totally got it. Chitter chat drives us crazy...discussion is one thing but just on and on and on about nothing is maddening. DW's sister is the same way - it was awesome when both her sister and my mom were here at the same time. They talked talked talked each other to death the whole time and we didn't even have to say a word, or even listen! Great suggestions everyone, thank you so much. Like I say, just being able to discuss it is helpful.
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Tgengine is another poster who works from home and has been adapting to having his father with him and his wife.

His profile is:

https://www.agingcare.com/Members/tgengine

If you have some spare time, you might want to read some of his posts, before his father came, what the concerns are, when his father arrived, how the situations changed and most recently of other issues with which he's dealing.
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They all need a purpose to live. But when they move in with you they expect you to be the purpose. You are already being driven "crazy" and it only gets worse over time. If they are able, then when they have to do it for themselves, it really does help them the most. My mother quit doing anything for herself...
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Thanks GardenArtist, I will check that out! Also, susan54, you are correct!
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Just like newly weds at first feel clumsy around their new roomie, so too with bring someone new into your established home. I bet in time ( 3 months is not long) all of you will settle in just fine. It takes time to learn anothers buttons if you will and not continue to push them. You and your wife know the ropes but mom is still learning. Give her time. She will make new friends be out and about more and will come to find her place. Its tough mixing two adult households because once we are grown we are set in our ways. Keep in touch and like I said I bet in 6 months the house will be much more settled.
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