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It is one good thing about a house being sold often. Each seller will maintain and improve the house, so it doesn't get so out of shape. My parents have owned their house for 68 years and it went years without maintenance. I don't look forward to handling things if she dies.
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Forgot to say -- Windy, foxing is the brown specks that get all over the pages of old books not held under controlled conditions. This is most books. It is caused by temperature, humidity, and the chemistry of the book. Foxing is okay if someone is buying a book to read, but people who are buying to hold don't want foxing.
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There is a great little book called "Don't Toss My Memories in the Trash" that is encouraging reading for those of us on either side of this situation.
thefamilycuratordont-toss-my-memories-in-the-trash-book-review.

OTOH, you do have to toss the trash in the trash, and thank God for recycling bins. I helped clean two really filthy hoarded homes and also my moms which was chock full of stuff but only a little mildew, no rats or cockroaches; but I got an estate company for that - I stashed some cheap memorabilia that I didn't think was worth much except to me in one closet, ended up scrounging a few "memories" from the leftovers that they had bagged up to trash despite my express request not to, and donated and recycled and donated and recycled the rest. It turned out that NOTHING was really worth all that much and I could have should have taken anything I'd really wanted. I ended up actually buying similar items to a few I let go but felt obligated to leave for sale or could not fit in my car, like a cedar wardrobe and a console tv.
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Console TV? Bet today's youth would say "what's that"? And my parents also have a cedar wardrobe cabinet. I just hope whomever buys it can make the turn on the stairs while carrying it out of the house !! Also hope someone buys the console record player / 8 track tape deck, it's a nice piece of furniture, I will even throw in all the 8 track records :)

BRAVO, tomorrow my parent's car, which felt like I was driving the Queen Mary down the highway, is being towed away.... it's going to charity.... how I hated that car, I would get car sick just backing it out of the garage. Surprisingly my Dad was glad that car is going, today he quickly signed the Title over to the charity.... whew.
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OMG my aunt took her console TV, took the old TV parts out and has her smallish flat screen in it! Nice piece of furniture, and she didn;t want a TV on the wall! We were going to donate my old jetta to the ALZ assoc., but one of my cousins needs a car so he and his wife are getting it. They do so much for my aunt and mom,,they can fix it up and use it.
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JessieBelle, people who are buying to hold also don't want book club editions.
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I used the closet in our "spare room" to hold our square dance costumes. It was crammed to bursting. When I remodeled that room into my office I wondered what on earth to do with this stuff. Lot's of fond dancing memories, conventions, camp-outs. Lots and lots of sewing. I'd carried all this stuff from our previous house, but it hadn't been used in years.

I was totally ready to part with it. That season of my life was over. I knew if I ever took up square dancing again it would be with a different style of costume. It took a few tries but I found an organization thrilled to take it all and put it up for sale for their new graduating class. It made me feel good that at least some of it would give pleasure to other people.

Now a logical person would have said, "Don't move this whole closetful of clothes you haven't worn in years. Get rid of it now." But I wasn't ready "now." I had to make peace with that season ending. When I was ready I did it tearfully and joyfully.

Logic isn't the only factor at work here.

I have a large (6' tall x 4' wide) cupboard downstairs filled with wine and drink glasses in various sizes and platter after plate after serving tray. Most items haven't been used in years. Logic tells me to donate them. But that would be admitting that the entertaining season of my life is over. I am simply not ready to let go of that yet. Maybe I'll have a big open house with all the glasses out, and tell guests to please take home the glass they are drinking from, as a memento of parties at my house! :)

When it is just "stuff" it is easy to get rid of. When it represents a season in your life you aren't ready to acknowledge is over, it is very painful to get rid of. I hope that by the time you are urging your parents to deal with stuff, it is truly stuff to them.
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vstefans, I read Don't Toss My Memories in the Trash a week or two ago. As someone who worked in publishing for many years, I couldn't help but take issue with the typography, but the book did contain some helpful advice. I've also been reading/rereading a couple of Regina Leeds's organizing books. Guess I've taken the advice to heart, because I've been sorting through old files and other items for several weeks and have managed to toss/shred lots of no-longer-necessary paper. I also have bagged up books and other items for donation. In fact, today is the day we've scheduled to drop off all the donations. By the way, I'm in my sixties and my husband and I don't plan on moving anytime soon. We just want to lay the groundwork to make any future move easier.
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Good heavens, yesterday I found what I assume are my baby blankets and what looks like a Chenille bedspread the size of what would have been used in a crib.... ah how cute, didn't know bedspreads were made for cribs, but this was from the 1940's. Will have to use my imagination to see how to incorporate these items into my household.
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Oh, no, ff. I see a potential problem brewing. One thing that added significantly to the clutter of this house was keeping things from Granddaddy's old houses. There were huge antiques that my father wanted to keep. Now we have these monstrous pieces of furniture that have zero market value. They are some of the things that make the house almost impossible to clean.

A good rule of thumb is that if you've managed to live without something your entire life, you can continue to live without it when you clear your parents' estates. If you see that big antique table or that big antique hutch and that big antique desk, think estate sale. If you see those smaller things, seriously think about what you could do with them... who you would leave them to. Otherwise you are just recreating the problem you are facing now.
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I have been trying to convince my 90 year old father and 82 year old stepmother for years to move to a more senior friendly environment. Nor will either one of them get their financial affairs in order. They will end up dying in that monstrous 140 year old house and leave it up to the 6 siblings/step siblings to handle it. No trusts, wills or POAs'. No life insurance or pre-burial plans. Not sure about checking or savings accounts. House and property worth about $500,000. Neither one will discuss their finances. My sister and I are the only ones living close by, the others live out of state. My sister does not have reliable transportation and I have already done executive duties for my mother's estate two years ago. My mother have all her affairs in order and made it easy for me except dealing with probate, it was a nightmare. So in my case it is better said than done.
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It sounds like they either think they are going to live forever or feel like after they're gone, it's not their problem. Do you know if they have made wills that at least leave all their belongings to each other? Back in the old days, often the deed to the house was in the man's name. That could cause some problems if there was no will and there was a line of heirs in this blended family.
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ArmyRetired, what I said to my parents when they were dragging their feet on legal matters was "well, then the State will get everything".... that usually was an eye opener for them.
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This is so pertinent to my life. Mother left her spacious apartment to come west to a more spacious apartment, and brought all her furniture. Then she added many pieces. Her place was always clean and well organized but she had about as much furniture in there is a furniture show room. Then she moved to an ALF bachelor unit taking little with her and I was left to dispose of the rest. Too much of it come home with me - some I still have. Looking back I should have taken only the few pieces I wanted and given the rest away to the thrift shop.

Then she moved again into a 2 bedroom unit again and fully furnished it. So few years later when she it ended up that she needed more care and had to be moved again, and again, all of that went into storage as we were not sure right away how much she would need. I got sick a few times from the stress of it all so which meant not much of what we have here was dealt with.

Fast forward there I was with all the family silver which no one here wants, glass wear, china, linens and an assortment of chairs and an old oak dining set and coffee tables and other thing and lots of papers. old mail and photos.

About a year ago I started sending the silver and some other mementoes overseas as a nephew wants it, packing up the china plus some of mine to go to the storage room, sending the odd piece to people who want them.

I scored today. I found a Scandinavian society in another city which has a museum who are delighted to have her hand made embroidered ski suit and similar articles that hark back a lot of years. I did not feel good about trashing them.

I started going through papers recently and burned most of it. I have a trunk full of slides - they are going to be trashed. No one wants them

This whole process has been going on for 6 1/2 years and it stresses and exhausts me. In the meanwhile mother is gaining weight from the drugs so I have a couple if wardrobes worth to get rid if - I had to buy her new clothing in January having just outfitted her with larger clothing in the summer.

I am 78 and I am need to and am working on downsizing my own things but it is hard to make much progress when I have so much of mother's to deal with.

I guess this tuned into a rant! I feel better now. lol!

Get rid if IT whatever IT is sooner rather than later!
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sorry about the garbled text in a few places - I have a bit of flu.
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wow Golden, that sounds like all the stuff I had to keep doing again and again. Two trunks and more of slides I went through, and 15 pounds of silverware to divy up- had saved even my brothers 60yo circumcision paper= everything from all four children! AND everything from countless dead relatives- Nuts.
I have downsized myself to a studio apartment- it forces me not to buy.
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Oh my gosh, my parents get a lot of mail... having all the mail from their old house and all the mail from their post office box forwarded to my house. I might need to install at larger mailbox !!

Change of address now it seems all the places want you to do it on-line. Ok, no big deal.... well it becomes a test of patience big time. Since my parents never opened accounts on-line I had to do it from scratch. I have one ID that I use for the accounts but then there are accounts that want you to do something different.... [sigh].

Then comes the passwords.... some want 6 letters and one number... another wants 8 letters with one capitalized and to throw in a number or two.... today one wanted a letter at the beginning and a letter at the end, plus capitalizing, and three numbers.... and now I am seeing accounts that want passwords that include the stuff you find on the top row of your keyboard [can't type them here, as I found out the hard way it caused my whole post to be deleted once I hit the "post comment".

And I don't want to get into the array of security questions, good heavens. I had to write down all the ID's, passwords, and security answers down in a book as there is no way to remember all this stuff. Anyway, I think I am finally done, it only took a month of Sundays....

Until Monday when I get yet another forwarded envelope with a yellow sticker :P

If my folks would have moved years ago, back when Dad was computer savvy [he use to write code] he could have done all of this. My patience was wearing thin on those on-line accounts that kept flashing back that something wasn't correct.
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Downsizing is another one of those "hot button" topics that if I even mention it sends my mom into a major snit. Daddy died a year ago and she used to blame him. It's always been her. I'd go to their house to drive them to a doctor's appointment (of which there were many each week) and he'd be sitting there in his chair all depressed because of all the "stuff". She's always had a very specific way of doing EVERYTHING. Newspapers would pile up for weeks...they had to be bundled up just so before they could be set out for recycle. BUT, she couldn't do that until she had a chance to go though them and make sure she either had gotten all the coupons out (for some grown grandkids who didn't really want them) OR worse yet, she hadn't read the entire paper! This logic and OCD/perfectionist way of conducting her life, literally invaded every aspect...to having bottles balanced upside down in the bathroom to get the last little drop, to having specific towels for drying dishes, to drying hands to clothes used for cleaning up...all had to be laundered separately, had to be folded a specific way (to fit in her drawers) and stored in certain drawers. So now this brings us to the present time. She's completely overwhelmed with EVERYTHING and is suffering from grief, depression, loneliness, a myriad of illness, aches, pains (real and imagined) and complete fear of being alone. BUT she will accept NO advice from anyone ("I don't need anyone telling me what to do, or how to do it."). She will accept no help yet she had no problem calling someone at 7;30 at night when her TV befuddles her, or needs to go to the hospital (most of the time for her anxiety attack over some pain). "I don't want to be a burden". Her house is out of control, junk in every room (excepting her living room and dining room except now they still have her Christmas tree up and all the boxes which she won't let anyone touch lest, God forbid, someone put an ornament in the wrong box. Anyway, there's no way of getting her to toss anything out. She has piles and piles of mail (most of which is junk mail that she writes the dates on that it arrived) and won't trust anyone to go through it ("I don't need you throwing my stuff out. How do you know what I do or do not need to read?") Now, NONE of this would bother me in the least...it's her life, her house, her mess, her decision to live HER life the way she chooses. BUT she's miserable, sad and will not let anyone come in the house. And I get to hear about it everyday. I pray a lot. Please don't suggest getting someone in...she WILL NOT let strangers in her house (even turned hospice and palative care away when Daddy needed it.) Please don't suggest getting her deemed incompetent...she's somewhat forgetful, but still drives, can discuss politics and all the issues with you, knows current events...etc....so there's no way. Besides that she has flatly declared if any of us try to "pull anything like that" she'll hate us to her dying day. There are no answers. All I know is that it's made me aware and I will not do this to my kids. I have become crazy about cleaning out closets, drawers, purging and scaling down to what we really need and want. So I guess at least I'm learning some lessons to apply to my life. And by the way, some of the people hear who have said it's there prerogative to NOT downsize and plan on leaving that to their kids...I think that's disrespectful of their children. Just because one did their parental responsibility and spent years of their life dedicated to raising children, does not mean it's okay to leave a friggin' mess for your kids. Are you trying to pay them back for something? I have great relationships with my four kids and want them to be as free as possible from having my stuff take time away from their lives and their kids. So sorry for the length of this.
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LaraLu, I can easily understand your Mom's OCD around the house, that stems from not having control of the outside world, therefore one could have control of his/her own house. I tend to be the same way, everything has to be in its place. Yes, even the towels have to be folded a certain way, mainly to fit them all in the linen closet.

That is probably why dealing with my parents house is so frustrating to me as too many things are no longer in its place. Years ago everything was in order from previously dated material neatly filed away, but that fell by the wayside during the past few years. Mom use to be so neat and orderly. Last weekend I was trying to match the china sets with each other, some were in this cabinet, some in other cabinets, some were upstairs, found one bowl in the basement.

And my Dad had his newspaper piles of unread newspapers, and I couldn't convince him to just toss it all and start from scratch as everything was now old news.... that only started a couple of years ago.... my theory was Dad would start reading the newspaper and fall asleep, thus saved it for the next day, and the day after, etc.
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So the newspaper thing....I shouldn't be doing that?
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It's interesting that perfectionism/OCD seem to be linked to hoarding, you would think they would be the antithesis of each other wouldn't you? I have noticed this in my sis as well, things are left undone because she hasn't found time to do it the "right way", gifts have gone unsent because she couldn't find the right card or message to write, and the piles of paper, old clothes and the like that need to be looked at before being tossed or donated just keeps growing. Hmmmm. One son asks "when are you going to clean up" with every conversation, really not helpful :(
I have told her I will help her some day when mom no longer needs me, by then we will need dumpsters (who am I kidding, we probably do already)!
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My parents had a 4 bedroom home full of stuff. My sisters and I started to come once every few months and pick an area to work on; get rid of stuff, organize and clean. Of course what we got rid of was totally up to my parents. We actually had some fun, would clean and order some take-out.
By the time they had to leave the house there was still plenty of stuff, but it wasn't quite as bad. If you can turn it into some sort of enjoyable activity, that can help.
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Doing a happy dance today.... the group 1-800-GotJunk will be by this afternoon to pick up unusable "stuff".

Dozens upon dozens of contractor bags filled with things, trash cans filled with old boards and pipes, old scraps of rugs that my folks had everywhere around the house. I had to hire someone to help me sort through things, it worked great as he knew what to keep for an estate sale and what to toss. Even things I would have thrown out, he said someone would buy a box of like kind items for a few dollars.

Next will be someone to come out to see if the remaining items are good enough for an estate sale.

Came across a big old 3-ring binder which was the probate of my grandmother's estate, the probate took 10 years to complete as it was complicated as it included a business.... and 5 grown children who didn't like how the Will was written.... [sign].
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Well, done ff. Great that you have made such progress. I am so glad you had some knowledgeable help.
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Glad to hear that, ff. This is something you've wanted for a long time. You got there the hard way.....but heck, that's how most of us get there! Enjoy your accomplishment. :-)
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Ok, here is an update.... it's been almost 2 months and I can't find anyone to do an estate sale for me. Apparently around here they only want high end furniture or a whole house filled of quality antiques. And here I had lug from my own house china settings and high quality glassware to add to the collection. That was a waste of time, energy, and days of aching back from the heavy lifting.

Back to square one. Now much of the stuff that I had paid someone to put like-kind items together I have been stuffing into construction trash bags and lugging out to the curb for trash day. There are still more items to bag in the basement and carry up the stairs. Not easy for two folks who will be 70 this year, meaning me and my sig other :P

Now all the china and glassware I had lugged over to my parents house has been lugged back to my house. I can store it until I figure out what to do. Past couple of weekends spent quality time boxing up a lot of knick knacks to give to Goodwill. Still have a lot more to deal with.... [sigh]

I have noticed that people will take things if placed by the curb on trash day that aren't in bags. Two wooden drying racks someone picked up before the trash service came around. YES!! Will try that next trash pick up on other items :)
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Oh ff - what a disappointment! (((((((hugs)))))) I know all about the hard work of lugging stuff around. R is currently arranging for the stuff in storage to be taken by an auctioneer There are a few good pieces of furniture which makes it worth their while. Here there are face book pages for giving away or selling things. They are pretty active. You can stipulate that it must be gone tomorrow and it seems to happen. That will be my next project after sending off a few more things. I know it is a royal pain and a lot of work. I still have furniture and more of mother's in the house as well as my own things and have gotten rid of a lot, not that it looks much different. I guess as long as we persist, one day we will see a difference. I have seem people take things that are by the trash in other cities Whatever works!
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FF, I have noticed the trend away from estate sales here as well, and it is really not surprising. An auction can take up a lot of hours to set up items and the sale itself will take up most of the day, the auctioneer usually has to pay helpers, and unless you have rare collectibles the take is usually not nearly as great as you imagine, everybody wants a bargain.
What about an "indoor" yard sale, just post a sign asking for best offers and open the door!
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FF, thanks for sharing your experience. It can help all of us when we come to that stage.
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Is there a local acution company that you can TAKE the stuff to? I think we have one here in Frederick,, I have some stuff that needs to go too.
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