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Many people come to this forum and post their concerns that they believe hospice killed their loved one.


I want you to know with certainty that you are correct in your suspicions. Hospice does murder. I have witnessed it, as well as many other.


Please, if you have experienced this, I'm asking you to continue to speak out. There is a growing effort to bring these atrocities to the attention of the public by speaking out, and telling our stories. That is the only way we can make other people aware.


Don't ever let anyone convince you that you didn't witness what you witnessed. You were there. You saw it. And you know.


Here is the timeline of the merging of the Euthanasia Society of America and the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization. The two are one in the same. Wonder no longer if they are murdering. They are. It is their mission. It is what they do.
hospicepatients.org/euthanasia-soc-of-america-to-natl-hosp-and-palliative-care-org


Please hashtag all of your hospice murder posts and comment #minetoo


#minetoo #hospice #hospicemurder

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Calla829 no one is playing damage control. Just speaking the truth and fighting against the propaganda that some of you feel is appropriate for this board. Take the hate somewhere else.
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(Countrymouse)- the case actually is not unusual at all & it's happening all over the country. The elderly are being funneled into hospice like cattle, when they really aren't hospice eligible at all. Lies, lies, lies, $$$$$$$$$$$$. Doctor kickbacks $$$$$$$$$$$$. 

(worriedinCali)- If a person is really dying of cancer, in pain, & needs painkillers that is a whole different story, but that's not what I'm talking about & no one has the right to play GOD!

Sounds like we may have some hospice nurses on here playing damage control.
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Ugh this again?

Hospice did not murder my MIL. My husband did not murder his mother when he made the decision to start morphine. Morphine allowed her sleep through her finally few days peacefully, until her wear heart gave out. There was no “final cocktail” administered. Had morphine been refused until the very end, she would have had a traumatic, painful, suffering death! She would not have gone peacefully. She would have continued to “feel terrible” (that was her last complaint, she felt terrible) and she would have suffocated to death. I guess all the prolifers of the world would have done the opposite? They would have called 911 and had paramedics pound on her frail chest, breaking her ribs. (She went from 140lbs to 60lbs in a few short months, she was skin and bones when she died). They have would her taken to the hospital and hooked up machines and tubes, never to speak again. And then what? Beg and plead with the doctors to do something? What do they think can be done for someone who’s body has just about shut down completely and will never recover? And why prolong a suffering life?
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Thank you Veronica. Very nice example that I have personally seen! Morphine at a time like that is a Mercy!
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I thought that rang a bell - we have already discussed it on the forum, a couple of years back. The investigation and prosecution have been going on for about four years now.

The case is egregious. Happily, a) it is *extremely* unusual; and b) none of the people involved will ever work in healthcare again.

Good.
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Grief demands answers. Anger is a part of the grieving process and usually that anger has to be taken out on something or someone. if Hospice was part of the picture, they become the easy target.
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HolidayEnd let me ask yu a question. I see you are caring for your Dad who has lung disease which does not sound too bad at this point in time. Do you knpw what it will look like when your Dad is at the end of his journey and all available medications no longer work?

With nothing to help him he will be lying in or should I say sitting up in his bed or recliner with all the windows open and a couple of fans blowing on him, his skeletal chest exposed to the cold night air with 2 or 3 oxygen concentraters pumping out their maximum. He will be gasping for air with his mouth open too weak to cough up the junk from his lungs that you can hear rattling with every breath.

Is that the way you want to watch your Dad leave this world. You can call the EMTs and go to the ER and your choice is life support which means intubation when he won't be able to talk because of the tube in his throat.
You and the family are at the bedside wringing your hands weeping and wailing begging the Dr to do something it's cruel to allow him to be sufferig like this.
You would be right it is cruel to let someone suffer like this very very cruel.
What can the Dr do? is there anything to ease his suffering?

Well there is it is called Morphine. It does not cure anything and no one wants to use it but on the other hand what your Dad will be experiencing is not called living it is called suffering.

Wouldn't it be better to see him possibly at home tucked up in his own bed sleeping peacefully even if he does not wake up again.

It is not a sin to ease suffering but it is if you cause it or allow it to continue when you have the means to ease it.

Easing suffering is not euthanasia or murder it is our God given gift to help each other if we can.
By the way I have witnessed the scenario I just described many times and also have COPD and when the time comes I will gladly and thankfully accept all the help I can get.

Ignoring ugly is not a comfort zone, it is the way to guilt and grief so think on that before you condemn the caring professionals who seek to comfort the dying
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People will refuse to acknowledge ugly truths to stay in their comfort zones. The lone voice of sanity will be mocked.
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Calla829, since you witnessed a murder, I assume you called the Police. What was the investigation conclusion? Was anyone arrested and put to trial?

From the information in the ACA, it is all positive regarding Hospice. Therefore, I am curious where you are finding your information regarding ACA.
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I wont say there isnt some corruption in the system . Any time a system gets big it opens itself up to corruption and people who do not have good intentions. However. as a nurse and a Jewish women I take extreme umbridge at you using Hitler and the Camps as a comparision. I am sick to death of that in general . Nurse are highly trained, educated and devoted caregivers . Who have to follow Drs Orders. ( can give as much as an Asprin w/o them) They are legally bound to care for the patient. We have to have insurance against law suits just as Doctors do. Nursing is hard but rewarding work and some of the hardest working are Hospice Nurses. They build relationships with these patients over time and truely mourn their passing. Its just plain wrong to say that they are Murdering them . If you have an issue with the care of your family members why keep using it ? Why not see a lawyer? Why not talk to the doctor that made these orders. ER doctors dont usually diagnose and stage cancer.
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I witnessed a hospice murder. What Prolife is saying is absolutely true & they are warning people about what is going on in America today.

*Palliative Sedation/Terminal Sedation is a slow form of Euthanasia & in many cases is abused & misused in rogue hospices.

*Terminal Sedation is being used too often on patients before they are in an active dying phase.

*In some cases the elderly are being pushed out of the hospital too soon & funneled into hospice to keep costs down or because of the Medicare 30 day readmission rule(Medicare).

*In some cases doctors are receiving incentives(against the law) for declaring patients(hospice ready) who really are not.

*Rogue hospices are murdering patients because of caps & limitations on Payments.

There is a lot of corruption going on in America because of new Medicare/Medicaid rules & regulations(Affordable Care Act).
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If you would like to connect with others who have also experienced hospice (and other medical settings) murder, go to the Facebook page: Exposing the Invisible Culture of Death in American Health Care
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Mother was on Hospice for 3 and a half years straight,setting a record with her Hospice company.They were amazed,but I knew Mother would call her own cards,but in the end,it was God and His Perfect Timing that made the final call.
Hospice or not,It was Mother's time.
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The point is, she had made her choices as his caregiver, doing what she thought was best for him, and hospice hounded her to make other choices. She didn't object to having morphine on hand, just being hounded to use it when he didn't need it.
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Well, DNR, because if cardiac arrest, do you want to let him go, or revive him with broken ribs? Your choice, if you are MPOA.

To have morphine on hand, at home? Yes ma'am? Not to administer if not needed, but not to have to bleat for it? Jeez, my mom was in some kind of agony and doubling her tramadol did nothing. Morphine was a blessing. She was in a NH. If she'd been at home, it would have been a no brainer to giver a low dose to ease her breathing and pain.
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Here's another good link: caring.com/questions/how-long-does-one-wait-to-give-morphine-if-the-patient-is. There are good and bad experiences, but it points out that the deaths of some people are hastened with drugs.

A personal experience in the last month proves this in our family. Patient didn't really have anything that would threaten to end his life within 6 months, he was just getting debilitated by Parkinson's, but dr urged hospice. Hospice urged DNR and pushed morphine, etc. every time they came to visit, both of which were refused by caregiver. Patient was not in pain or agitated and was easy for caregiver to manage so why push drugs?
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See, Mom, here's the thing.

If you have a parent, child, loved one who is dying, in agony and you understand that Hospice's purpose is to provide COMFORT to the patient, not to try to drag them back from the brink of death with whatever painful lifesaving techniques can be brought to bear on their on-the-verge-of-death body, only to continue to die painfully, then Hospice is a great blessing.

Those of us who've watched loved ones TORTURED by medical professionals, in the service of "we can make him live one more day", then you GET what Hospice is about. It's NOT about putting the patient to death. It's about letting nature takes its course while making sure the patient is not agitated or in pain.

For some folks, I understand, this is a sin. Only God can determine when and how one dies and if God decrees that we die in pain, then so be it. I don't happen to believe in THAT kind of God.

My mom, having watched my dad battle leukemia, opt for dialysis when his kidneys shut down, and die quite painfully while on dialysis, decided that when she had something that couldn't be treated, she wanted to go peacefully and painlessly. She made us promise that we'd see that this happened.

So when a couple of "atypical" cells showed up in her plueral effusion when she was in her late 80s and they wanted to do a bone marrow biopsy, she counted on us to say "no way". When she developed dementia and became more and more frail, we had the docs treat what they could (heart block, pneumonia, delusions) with meds, knowing that nothing she had could be cured. And when she fell and refused to get out of bed, we knew that she was telling us, through her actions, that she was done. We got hospice in to treat her pain with morphine and her agitation with Ativan.

She went down surrounded by love and opera arias.

If we hadn't had hospice, would she have lived a couple of hours longer, with the look of terror on her face that I still remember before they started the morphine? Maybe. But seeing my mom die in peace was a blessing for all of us.

If you don't want hospice, don't sign up.
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Not all hospice is created equal - here in Mississippi, our Hospice is wonderful and they are not murderers.

I am sorry for your experiences - but to flame all Hospice Care isn't right either. Here in my area, Hospice has been rewritten to keep people alive and have proven to be extremely helpful and supply a ton of supplies for free.

I personally saw my father being cared for so tenderly - he was allowed to pass with dignity. They came daily and bathed him and he gloried in it. They were truly sorry when he passed in 5 days after stopping his dialysis.  I had stopped all his multiple medications as I saw no reason to prolong his suffering.  He thanked me for stopping 15 medications.

During that 5 days they helped to keep him pain-free for the first time in more years than even he could count.
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Instead of all the hostility here, why don't you educate yourself and see if what Prolife says is true? It's very easy with the internet. I think you will be surprised at what you find. Here is just one resource, starting on about page 4:
https://www.agingcare.com/discussions/did-hospice-rush-your-loved-ones-death-162802.htm

The Hospice Patients Alliance is also an excellent resource for anyone dealing with hospice. There's helpful advice and warnings.
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Prolife, I think you are missing the point and purpose of Hospice. They are about the end of life, that's what they do openly and proudly. While once in a while a patient gets better for whatever reason and goes off Hospice care that's the exception, in order to get Hospice care a patient needs to be dying, dying and near the end of that journey.
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Sorry..I have to post this..Are you children! This is a serious subject and your are treating this topic and posts like children in desperate need to get attention..posting gibberish..to keep the topic on top.....nothing..no one..is perfect..and we have all had bad and good experiences...and illness and death is tragic and hard for all,involved...

You obviously have been deeply affected by events...but you should use your energies focusing on ways to improve things in the industry..society..to ensure that mistakes are not made ...and work directly with organizations rather than posting gibberish here that is counter productive..and causes you to lose credibility...and takes from people who need to share their experience...and ask questions...
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CWillie, you’re right!
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Veronica your comments as an insightful, educated & responsible contributor are totally appreciated. Many of us are most grateful to the empathetic, genuine caring & wonderful care our loved ones have received in a Hospice. Thank you for posting such positive comments. Prolife needs to do exactly as you have said...go to the Police, State Licensing Board or the Coroner. Prolife is being disrespectful to others on this site who do not see things “her way” and in fact makes unwarranted accusations to other Writers. I don’t believe this site is for that purpose. She is not addressing the audience she appears to want to preach to on a Blog site, especially with the inflammatory & unwarranted comments about others ie: “heroine with a syringe.” Nazis? Hitler? This has become a totally uncontrolled discussion. Administrators will hopefully take her toxic comments into consideration & remove her from this site.
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Veronica, thanks for the insightful and frank assessment and reminder to someone who doesn't seem to have a clue what hospice is for. Your post reminded me of the first rehab center in my caring experience, and this was rehab, not hospice.

I'll never forget the catatonic stares of people sitting in halls, waiting for therapy, to rehab them for what? More depression, more limited lives sitting in wheelchairs waiting to die? Or people unable to speak, or unable to see, again just waiting to die.

Those catatonic faces will haunt me whenever I think of how sad and pathetic those poor souls were.

That was just rehab; it wasn't even hospice....yet.

Kudos to you for telling it like it is to someone who doesn't have a clue and is just a troublemaker.
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Veronica, hear, hear! If I could have given you 100 likes for that post I would have. You must have been a fly on the wall at my Mom's nursing home. What a depressing place. If I ever end up at a place like that, give me a gun and I'll shoot myself. (that is if I still have the wherewithal to do it)

Profile, everything Veronica just said............but let me add, ever since you started this rhetoric I have been reliving my Mom's dying moments. Thx to you, I've had these images going through my head for the last three days. So, again thx for that.

Why do I keep coming back here and reading you may ask. You know how when you have a nagging toothache and it hurts even more when you touch it but for some reason you keep doing it? There's that..........but also I'm wondering why the admin. haven't cut you off at the pass yet.
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Profile I was a Hospice RN for 10 years. And yes I did administer large doses of Morphine and yes the patients did die. But at the time they were screaming in pain while the family cried at the bedside beging me to give them more. A Hospice nurse can only give what the Dr has ordered (That is if she wants to keep her licence and not spend the rest of her life in jail)
Yes I am profile but I am not for prolonging unesesary suffering. Sometimes the pain is so severe that it actually prevents the patient from dying.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You mentioneed the Nazis. Remember Dr Mendeler and what experiemneta he carried out on people fully conscious.
There is good and bad in this world. Why don't you focus on the good and do something about the bad.
Have you spoken to the police about your suspicious deaths, called the Coroner or reported the nurses involved to the State Licensing Board?
How do you spend your time? Hanging around listening to nurses gossip, wandering the halls of nursing homes asking relatives awkward questions about their loved ones. Spend a few days in a nursing home and take a good look at your fellow residents. Do you think they want to be sat in a hallway with their mouths drooping open and spit running down their faces fast asleep only to be woken when the dinner bell rings and be pushed into the dining room where the assigned Aide shovells food into their clamped shut mouths. All because they were given CPR after a stroke. All around the table there are others who have to be constantly woken and reminded to eat. or loved ones uging their mothers to eat it all to keep your strength up till Mom slaps the hand that is trying to feed her. Then there is the one, thin as a rake who quietly takes off her bib and covers the plate. 
Then take a trip into the therapy room where one elderly resident is clipping clothes pins on a piece of string. Then ther's me given a bowl of glass marbles and an empty bowl with instructions to transfer them one by one then transfer them bad. Me bad when the therapist was not looking I just picked up handfuls. I was there for rehab for a hip replacementt
This is the reality of keeping people alive beyond their sell by date.
Prolife there is a place for you in this crazy mixed up unkind world fighting for patients rights to the care they need and deserve but not here on this forum frightening people who are already carrying so much guilt and stress caring for their elders and at times children, who can't afford decent care. Bang on the door of the White House and tell them not to cut Medicare which is far from free and often leaves elders on the hind t**
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Prolife: Hospice Care Professionals are not permitted to give ANY medications without a Doctor’s order. Staff at Hospices do NOT diagnose patients in the absence of a Physician. Why don’t you take this up with the Physicians involved in your personal situations instead of slamming Hospices? That would be much more proactive. Your anger is misdirected.
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There are much cheaper and easier ways of killing off old people, starting with not medicating them for conditions that kill our grandparents. Perhaps you'd enjoy the Flat Earth Society more than this forum.
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Help4eachother, what you describe is what was being done to Carly Walden's grandma, as I stated above.

Carly's grandma was not in pain, never complained of pain and was not even dying.

She was misdiagnosed with an end stage terminal illness by an emergency room doctor (a hospitalist) and given a prescription for hospice.

The hospice liaison lied to the family about what hospice is. They were told that it was just to give her a couple days rest and then she would get to come home.

She was not DYING, and three years after being saved, she is still alive.

The only thing killing her was the staff at the hospice facility by overdosing her with morphine.

I also witnessed my grandmother killed this way. She was not in pain. She never complained of pain. She was not even dying, but was killed by her doctor and a hospital. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about because I'm sure you've seen it done and probably even participated in such practices.

She walked into the hospital on her own, with no help. Was admitted for "treatment". Her care taker left and when she returned our grandma was "comatose". They lied to us about why our grandma was in a coma. They told us it was natural because she was just dying. They said the morphine (which they gave her right after her POA left, without informed consent), wouldn't cause that. They lied to us. It does sedate.

I also witnessed the misuse of terminal sedation done on my aunt, by hospice. She was sedated with morphine. And let to dehydrate to death for 8 days.

I also witnessed a cousin, who was not in pain, was fully alert and of sound mind, be given a large dose of morphine, which caused her death within minutes. Done by hospice.

And another aunt, was put on hospice. No pain. Of sound mind. Was given Haldol, making her unable to walk, a common side effect. The family was lied to. They were told that it was her condition worsening. She also was dehydrated to death.

I have been researching this and advocating against these murders since 2013. I know the justifications that are used by medical staff and you just repeated them verbatim.

Murder is murder. You can justify it all you want by making yourself out to be the heroine with a syringe. But these things are being done to people who are not dying and are not in pain. And people's lives are being cut short because they are blindly trusting the advise of the doctors and medical staff. You know you're killing.

Anyone can go to the forums, such as allnurses website, and read the conversations about these things. You will see that they know that they are hastening death and feel that they are doing a good deed by doing it. This is what they really believe. 

Welcome to Nazi America (see Hitler's T4 Program)! Where you become disposable if you are elderly, terminally ill, or disabled. Where the doctors and the insurance companies decide whose lives are worthy to be lived and whose aren't.
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Hospices do NOT murder palliative care patients. For some reason, SOME families of cancer patients want their loved ones awake & reponsive for their OWN rather selfish needs and do not take into consideration that death is painful. The dying patient needs pain medication & one of the side effects of medications used in well managed pain is respiratory depression. As death approaches, vital organs start to shut down, circulation decreases & the patient sleeps away when “death with dignity” is practiced. Hydration can be used via IV in some cases but this practice can prolong the suffering & death progression. Keeping the mouth & lips moist and applying cream to the skin is a comfort measure practiced in palliation. Anyone who has seen a person screaming in pain & begging for death can certainly understand the agony people suffered prior to our current Palliative Care practices which provide DEATH WITH DIGNITY. During organ failure, pain increases, agitation & anxiety increase and human beings suffer...horribly if their pain & anxiety are not controlled with medication. Treatment of pain & other symptoms during the death process (which can take several days or even longer depending on age), especially in an expected death is humane...hardly murder! Hospices have wonderful, caring, educated Staff who dedicate their skills to providing comfort, dignity & the best care possible to dying patients. Only a lack of education & a total misunderstanding of professional ethics & top notch care for those who wish to die with dignity could elicit such an accusation. Murder? That is just NOT true.
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