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My mother is at a moderate stage of vascular dementia. She currently lives alone, but we're not sure how much longer that can last. At this point, my sister has been allowing my Mom to babysit her 5yo daughter, 3 days per week, much to my chagrin. Sis is obviously in a certain level of denial because she and mom are cut from the same cloth; they make decisions from a place of emotion, rather than logic. While I recognize that emotion is a significant factor, we are grapling with some saftey issues (driving, etc.) that need to be addressed. My sister claims that she does all the work, so she gets more "say" in the decisions. By work, I mean she is using her 5yo to report back to her what Grammy has been doing that day. Sis also fills mom's meds once a week. Because she's more emotionally connected to Mom, she's able to influence mom as well. My brother and I have offered our help in any way we can, but essentially, our help is refused or even discourage if it's not done the exact way Mom and sis want it. I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall.
I'm not willing to sacrafice my marriage, sanity, job, and kids (1yo, 6yo) to live in Mom/Sis's emotionally draining denial. When I establish boundries for the kind of help I'm willing to provide, I'm told by my sister to "just get out of it!". I'm willing to put action behind my opinions, but how am I supposed to provide care when I'm being sabotaged? My sister, in her denial about the severity and reality of Mom's dementia, will agree to certain conditions with my brother and I. When we try to put them into practice, Sis will ultimately do whatever she wants and just not tell us about it. She purposefully leaves us out of appointments (tells us at the last minute) or siutations with Mom because she doesn't want us to weigh in. Then, when we do try to help, we are berated for not helping out enough!
I see so many articles about how to get "deadbeat" siblings to help. What about those that do, but are at the mercy of a dictator sibling who wants to rule under emotional law?

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Who cleans mom's home?
Who prepares meals?
Who takes her to church or the community center or to senior activities?
Who does her laundry?
Who sets up her appointments?
Who pays her bills and monitors the checking account?
Who sits and looks through scrap books with Mom?
Who plays cards with her?

(I'm thinking of the things my mom needs from her daughters.)

What are the things that you can do, to mother's specifications? What are the things that your brother can do?

Do you think it is still safe for mom to be babysitting a 5 yo? If not, what are your concerns?

Is mom still safe to drive? If not, why not?

If sis is the one who sees mom the most often and has the most interactions with her, certainly her opinion should be taken seriously. But doing someone's laundry does not necessary make one the best authority on whether that someone can still drive safely, if you see what I mean.

What if you said, Sis, I'm going to take Mom and my two kids on Thursday afternoon outings. I'll pick her up right after school is out, and we'll feed the ducks in the park, or visit the science museum, or go for ice cream cones. I'll have to try it a few times to judge her stamina, and then we'll decide on a regular return time. Or if you said, "Mom, I'd like you to come have dinner with us once a week. Would you prefer a weeknight or the weekend?" Can you arrange to spend some time with her each week, to fit your own schedule? How about your brother? Could he play checkers with her one night a week? Take her to a movie?

What kinds of things do you agree on and then Sis won't put into practice?
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I"'m not willing to sacrafice my marriage, sanity, job, and kids " forgive me for what may sound a little heartless here but that sounds awfully selfish. Actually you sound like my sister. That is your mom and taking a backseat because you have a sister that is forcing you out of the front is a lame excuse. Just my opinion and I don't want to start an arguement by any means but that is your mother too and if you see something that doesn't seem right it is your job to step in and take action. Its not about your "sacrafice." These are our parents and sometimes, even when one sibling may be in denial, there comes a point when you have to step in and take action. How I wish my sibling would take action but unfortunately, like you, she is unwilling to "sacrafice" her sanity or time to help out. Good luck and forgive me for sounding bitter but as a sole caregiver I am very bitter to any kind of selfish presumptions.
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GOO:

The only one I have a bone to pick with is your sister for using her daughter as a pawn in this teeter-totter sibling squabble. (I wouldn't be surprised if she grew up to be a journalist.) Especially when she knows your Mom is mentally unstable and shouldn't be babysitting for anyone in the first place.

I don't see anything wrong with your priorities, and I certainly don't blame you for wanting to have a life and putting your husband & children first. I would, however, call for a meeting of all the siblings to figure out how best to share the responsibility of caring for your Mom. Of course make sure she's not present. All the bickering, name-calling, and hissy fits will tear her apart. I urge you and your brother not to gang up on Big Sis, and try to reach a compromise that ultimately benefits Mom. If she's relatively happy and comfortable, eventually it'll trickle down to you.

Find a way to squash the beef with your sister without being crude, crass, and obscene. After all, this is really a family problem; not a sisterly power struggle.

Good luck my friend. Don't take no for an answer, and remember that self-sabotage is not an option.

-- Ed
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To answer some of the questions:
Who cleans mom's home? ~ Mom
Who prepares meals? ~ Mom
Who takes her to church or the community center or to senior activities?~ Mom is isolating herself to stay in denial. She played cards years ago, and I've been trying (in vain until this week) to get her to pick it back up. She uses the babysitting as an excuse.
Who does her laundry? ~ Mom
Who sets up her appointments? ~ Sis sets up medical, I set up financial and legal (all three of us attend all these appointments when possible)
Who pays her bills and monitors the checking account? ~ Me
Who sits and looks through scrap books with Mom? ~ Sis and Me
Who plays cards with her? ~ See above.
What are the things that you can do, to mother's specifications? What are the things that your brother can do? ~ When we ask, Mom replies with "I'll take care of it. Don't worry about it." So we have to give her time to handle it, and it never gets handled. We've used a mediator to assign tasks to different siblings, but things either don't get accomplished or they get accomplished very slowly.

Do you think it is still safe for mom to be babysitting a 5 yo? If not, what are your concerns? ~ No. My Mom has made impulsive decisions to walk my neice to a local shopping mall, across 4 lanes of traffic, after being told not to. My Sis has stated that she needs her 5 yo to "report back" what Grammy is doing on the days she's there.

Is mom still safe to drive? If not, why not? ~ Mom has been evalulated twice for driving and was borderline both times. She's been lost 3 times (that we know about) and has had three non-injury accidents in the last 3 years. She also bombed portions her last congnitive exam, including the viso-spacial test that is key for peripheral vision.

To joym, the difference between my sister and yours is that I'm activiely participating, trying to find resolutions to Mom's needs. However, everytime I try to plan or carry out one of our previously made decisions, my Sis seems to put on the brakes on our progress. For example, we are trying to get mom to ride a shuttle regularly so that when we take the keys (which I think should've already happened) so she has a transportation alternative. I took off work to make sure she was able to use the shuttle. I made sure she arrived at her destination and made sure that she made it back home. I've been the one calling to make all the shuttle appointments. Grocery visits are one of mom's primary concerns. I suggested to my sister that we alternate Sunday's, so that 1.) I can plan around the days I need to take mom to the store, and 2.) it doesn't just fall on Sis to take her, since she lives closer. Sis balked at the idea and doesn't want to set up a schedule. I've got other things in life that need to be handled and can't drop everything to take mom to the store. My kids and husband need me. I'm the primary breadwinner. I don't think it's too much to ask that we set up a schedule for this stuff. But my Mom has always been more spontatneous when it comes to the grocery, and sis is too. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. So, respectfully joym, I'm nothing like your sister.
We've worked with a mediator, we've set concrete deadlines. I understand flexibilty needs to be accounted for, however, my sister communicates NOTHING to us about WHY we might need to change goals/deadlines. The other frustration is that I feel these stall tactics are keeping Mom and Sis in denial, and I feel like we're wasting valuable time. Mom only has a limited amount of congnitive time left. We're wasting it by not getting the most out of it now. Instead, Mom's in denial and isolating herself in her house with a 5yo who worries about Grammy. When we push mom to discuss some of the modifications we need to make, she shuts down and starts talking about a "pill" that will kill her so she can avoid all this. Her neurologist recommended that she see a psychatrist after talking about suicide in her last appointment, and that's never been set up by.....my sis. I finally set up an appointment with a counselor that my Mom saw years ago.
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I went through the same thing with my father in law as to whether he should be driving. I found a fabulous place called Marion Joy Rehab center in Wheaton IL. They work with disabled people to get their licenses. They also do evaluations on people, seniors, to see if they should still be driving. We needed a doctors referral, I asked the doc to refer him without involving us. Most of it was covered under medicare.
It is a comprehensive test that lasts 2 1/2 hours. They test on cognition, peripheral vision, range of motion and do a 45 minute behind the wheel test. After this they send paperwork to your doctor with their recommendation, whether it's something they can help you work on or if they recommend "driving retirement".
It's sad to see them lose their independence but the emotional and financial cost if something had happened while he was driving wasn't worth the risk. It worked out well for us since then Dad could be angry at someone a good distance away from us and none of us had to be the bad guy by taking his license away.
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Absolutely Yes you can---and infact, in my experiences, this is a great idea. If possible, have a family meeting or telephone conference, and do just this. Best, Hapfra
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We've done the family meeting. We've done several, some of them with a professional mediator. We've done the doctor prescribed driving tests. She was borderline both times and the test administrator suggested that we periodically check the car for evidence of a fender-bender! She also said that the family is ultimately the most informed, so the burden of taking the keys will probably on us. We have an appointment with her doctor next month and my brother has spoken to him about having him prescribe a RX for "driving retirement". The big problem here is that my sis doesn't agree that Mom should stop completely and may sabotage our efforts. My BIL (sis's husband) is a mechanic, so if we disable the care, BIL will fix it. And send my a bill on top of that. If we take the care, my sis may loan mom one of hers.
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It is soooo hard to be at the point where "something" needs to be done to help a parent but parent doesn't want to give up any more independence. (Who would?) You have to pick your battles, and sometimes you have to override the parent's decisions and desires. It is hard to know when that is justified, and it doesn't help when siblings can't agree.

I think getting your mom a counseling appointment was a battle worth picking. You can't ensure that she cooperates once she is there, but at least you've gotten the ball rolling.

Another battle worth picking is the driving issue, because that involves both her safety and that of others. Like charmin6, I used a rehab center's driving evaluation service. It is good to get an objective outside opinion. If she passes, you can relax a little and just keep an eye on changes in her reaction time, vision, and judgment. If she does not pass then at least all siblings will know the same thing and can figure out together what to do next.

Why not set up a schedule with your mom to take her grocery shopping every other Sunday? Maybe go out for brunch first and make it a fun day. If Sis and Mom do lots of spontaneous shopping between your scheduled one, where's the harm? And if you show up and she says she went with Sis yesterday and doesn't need anything, use the time with her in some other way. See a movie together. Go shopping at the discount store. Play cards.

Denial is a valid coping mechanism. You are right about precious time being wasted, but you can probably make the best use of Mom's remaining "good" time without insisting she accept why. If she's always wanted to see the Grand Canyon, maybe brother can use vacation time to take that trip with her. You can continue to encourage the use of the shuttle as a convenience without reminding her that soon she will need to use it.

Do what you think needs doing. Work with your sibs as much as you can, but don't let that limit what you do. Definitely set boundaries. Definitely live up to responsibilities you've agreed to. And try not to worry so much about labels.
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Goo,
Wow, what a struggle you have, most of us would love to have someone fighting to help care for a loved one. The car issue is a big one and a battle you should continue to fight. I would let your sister know that if your mother hurts someone on the road, it will be her fault for not taking the keys as you and your brither have signed off on this issue. Your sister needs to think about how your mother could hurt her own daughter while driving a car?? She could not only hurt herself but many others on the road and this fact must be stressed to her somehow. I am sure this fact is on the list of many you have stressed to her.

Blessings,
Bridget
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I am in a similiar role with my mother's care. My sibling does not let me help take Mom to appointments, even though I've offered. Either my sibling takes her to appointments or their teenage daughter who is 18. So I am demoted to beneath the college student. Hard to accept, but I have no choice. I have offered until I am blue, but it's just ignored.
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What you have here is a difference in personality and working style. I understand that completely because I am the logical, planning, type. My Mom and sib are the "run-right-into-the-wall" and then decide that it hurts type.

It took me a long time to figure this out so here it is: just back off. Do what you can, offer advice, visit as often as possible, but let the chips fall where they may. Continuing to get frustrated over the rug being pulled out from under you will just ruin your health and, in the end, they will do what they want anyway.

My big concern would be the driving issue. Take that one battle on until you are sure that she is no longer driving. She may end up losing her life and taking another along with it.

Here's what will happen in the future. Things will get to critical mass, then they will call you to "fix it." Decide at that time how much you are willing to do.

In the meantime, look for ALFs or other placements for your Mom because it sounds as if she will need one soon. If you sis is not a planner, at least you will have this info when the time comes. (btw, has your family discussed "what happens next?")

I know how frustrating this is, but two things are absolute: you will not change them and you cannot please them.

good luck

(PS: perhaps your sister sees your "boundaries for the kind of help" you are willing to provide or issues about "sacrifice" as wanting to do things on your time...not when they are needed. Perhaps try asking, "what can I do to help" and do what is asked. Also, since your Mom lives alone, it does not stop you from dropping in to check on her or to do things for her. Just a thought.)
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I would so love it if my sis or bro said they want to work out a schedule to help with some of the stuff for dad. Instead, bro only comes around when dad is in the hospital or he needs something. Sis thinks she's doing her part by offering to help - "just tell me if you need someone to take him for an appt" - but when I ask, she's busy and couldn't possibly do it. Heard it too many times so I have given up. She promised over a year ago that once things settled down some in her life that she would schedule one night during the week (of my choice) and every Sunday night to get dinner for dad so I didn't have to worry about it. She or one of her 3 sons do it on Sundays when they're not out of town but I'm sure glad I didn't hold my breath for the night during the week or I would have died months ago. Mind you, her husband travels 2-3 weeks a month during the week, her 3 sons are grown adults - 1 graduated from college not working, 1 working intermittently and 1 just starting college. We're not talking she has little kids to take care of but her first "reason" as to why she can't help more is that she works full time and "has a family to take care of". I too work full time outside of the house but have taken on at least another full time if not full time and a half job taking care of dad. I could go on and on about the promises made that seem forgotten as soon as they are said but I know nothing will ever change. I think Lilli is right - just set the schedule as it fits in your life and follow through. If nothing else, you'll have the opportunity to spend time with your mom while she can still remember and enjoy it. Kuli
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Thank you everyone for your suggestions and comments. Since I originally posted, we've made some progress. We've taken the car and sold it. That was the battle I choose to pick, and it took over a month to get it done, but it's done. Things with my sister have deteriorated, however we are trying to work together as best we can to get things done for mom. Mom's seeing a counselor regularly and she's accepting the shuttle. The counselor is getting her to see that embracing these changes will keep her independent longer than if she stays in denial and pretends like nothing is wrong.
Most of the communication has been going through my brother. For now, that's working well. Sis and I both have trust issues with each other; she doesn't think that I'm emotionally sensitive enough and may hurt mom's feelings, and I think sis says whatever she thinks we want to hear in that moment with no real intention of following through (or at best, she's promising to deliver more than she can handle). Sis does things on HER timeline, which in my opinion is not fast enough.
I'm working on not worrying about what she thinks of me. I know I'm doing a lot to help my mom. Our differing styles bring something positive to mom's care and fill a role that the other one cannot. It's unfortunate that caring for mom has destroyed our friendship, but I think we've discovered that we are VERY different people.
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Who has the durable POA and who has the medical POA in this situation?
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I'm the durable POA and sis is the medical POA.
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Regarding differences in style: You siblings were each different from the start, while your mother loved and raised you. Now that the time has come to help her, celebrate your different strengths and find a way to blend those differences in your family, to help complete the circle of life.
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agrace sometimes it is just not that easy. Sometimes, siblings get selfish and think too much of themselves and dont want to be "inconvenienced" with the task of pitching in. its heartbreaking but its happening more and more and families end up being all torn up about it. I have a sister who just doesn't give a crap, plain and simple, its evident the way she never comes around, does anything, or just visits. Maybe once a month if that, her calling my mom on a daily or every other day basis is her form of helping out. For me thats just her trying to ease her already guilty conscience of not doing anything. Just my thoughts.
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joym, I think the point of recognizing the differences in style means that you have to accept that what your sister is doing for your Mom is all she can give at this point. Sometimes, all I can do during a specific day is give my mom a call. We are contantly told as caregivers to "take care of ourselves" but the minute we draw boundries, we're called selfish. This is exactly the kind of labeling that I think is unfair.
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Jennie I have no problems with boundaries, really I don't. I know sometimes I need a much deserved break too and I take it. What I do have a problem with is not what she can give at this point, but what she chooses not to give, which is everything, In my situation I have a useless sister who only "pops" by once every two weeks, that is not drawing boundaries, its neglecting your duties as a child in my opinio. I'm not asking for daily assistance with care but I dont' think that asking her to commit to atleast one day a week is asking for the moon either. She is just selfish and inconsiderate and its very unfortunate because my Mom misses spending time with her.
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If you're mother were healthy, would you consider a visit every two weeks sufficent? Was it this way before you're mother became ill?
For what it's worth, my children do not have any duty to me in my old age. They're duty is to become productive members of society and live their lives to the fullest. No one should be born into servitude. If you feel a sense of duty to your mother, it is YOUR CHOICE to fulfill that duty or not. Your sister is still visiting with your mother every two weeks, so she's not completely useless. Not sharing the same sense of duty doesn't mean she is selfish or inconsiderate.
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Jennie no I would not consider once every two weeks sufficient by any means. We were raised with a strong sense of family, and as such you do for each other. Asking her to commit a few hours each week is not excessive by any means in my book. I am resentful however that it has all fallen on me, my Mom doesn't drive so I like to get her out once or twice a week, how hard is it for her to do the same? Its not. She just chooses to be selfish its disgusting on every level. If this were her mil she would be up her ass like velcro doing what needs to be done, but with her own mother, she uses the excuse that "she gives her anxiety". Its sickening and she's sickening, and someday that will catch up with her, maybe in the form of a crippling conscience. Jennie no one wants their kids to be entrapped in servitude, thats not what I am talking about , but just general common sense and respect would warrant a little bit of care and concern is not asking for too much. One visit a week is not too much. You only have one mother and there are no guarantees that they are here forever so out of love and just appreciation, you should make every effort to visit at the very least once a week, especially if you live down the block like my sister does. There are no excuses. Its pure selfishness.
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Joym, you've judged your sister to be selfish and disgusting. So write her off and get on with your life.

She calls Mom several times a week, and visits a couple times a month, but that does not meet your standards. And for some reason, you get to set the standards, she doesn't. OK. Sounds like she is living up to her own standards. The fact that visiting Mom is stressful for her hints at something in the nature of their relationship. And maybe, from what you say, she has a better relationship with her mil. That wouldn't be the first time that has happened, you know. Why would that make you so furious?

Oh well. I doubt that you are going to get SIs to change. It doesn't sound like you particularly want to preserve a friendly relationship with her, which seems sad to me, especially since you were raised with a strong sense of family. You make your choices. She makes hers. It seems a shame that has to estrange you.
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Jeanne I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, I take it you yourself have never been a caregiver since you appear to be so pro-inactive and so anti-care. I honestly don't know why you are even on this website since you don't seem to think anyone should be taking care of their parents. I hope you never need care yourself because with that thought process it wouldn't surprise me if no one helped you. I'm done with responding. I've got caretaking chores to tend to. Goodbye.
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It seems to me there are three sides to this - yours, your sister's....and the "truth". We all bring our own baggage to these situations and, as siblings, we behave the way we behaved growing up, while competing for our parents' love and attention. A great book about this phenomenon is "They're Your Parents Too" by Francine Russo. I am willing to bet that your sister is the eldest child (I could be wrong) but she is most certainly the one who is the closest to your mom. She identifies with her and is empathetic about what it would feel like to lose her independence. I am in a very similar situation, with two siblings I love very much but who barrage me with "suggestions" and "ideas" that almost always involve having our mother give up more and more of her independence. Their motivation for this is to have our mother cared for by outsiders so that they can continue to live their lives as they always have, when our mother was more independent. I, on the other hand, end up doing all the work and caregiving, finding social activities for our mom and providing her with all her needs including shopping, cooking, doctor's appointments, etc. Their feeling is that because I am not taking their "wise" advice, I have to suffer the consequences and take on the majority of caregiving. None of us knows best and these prejudices all come from our belief systems that were formed growing up. I don't deny that your mom may be more impaired than your sister is willing to admit, but take a look at the entire situation, including your sister's feelings before digging in your heels and proclaiming that you will not allow your marriage and kids to be sacrificed. We all have to play our roles in this difficult situation and saying that you are not allowed to help is something I just don't buy. There are many ways to help - and they aren't all going to be on your terms.
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It seems to me there are three sides to this - yours, your sister's....and the "truth". We all bring our own baggage to these situations and, as siblings, we behave the way we behaved growing up, while competing for our parents' love and attention. A great book about this phenomenon is "They're Your Parents Too" by Francine Russo. I am willing to bet that your sister is the eldest child (I could be wrong) but she is most certainly the one who is the closest to your mom. She identifies with her and is empathetic about what it would feel like to lose her independence. I am in a very similar situation, with two siblings I love very much but who barrage me with "suggestions" and "ideas" that almost always involve having our mother give up more and more of her independence. Their motivation for this is to have our mother cared for by outsiders so that they can continue to live their lives as they always have, when our mother was more independent. I, on the other hand, end up doing all the work and caregiving, finding social activities for our mom and providing her with all her needs including shopping, cooking, doctor's appointments, etc. Their feeling is that because I am not taking their "wise" advice, I have to suffer the consequences and take on the majority of caregiving. None of us knows best and these prejudices all come from our belief systems that were formed growing up. I don't deny that your mom may be more impaired than your sister is willing to admit, but take a look at the entire situation, including your sister's feelings before digging in your heels and proclaiming that you will not allow your marriage and kids to be sacrificed. We all have to play our roles in this difficult situation and saying that you are not allowed to help is something I just don't buy. There are many ways to help - and they aren't all going to be on your terms.
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Joym, really, you find that I am anti-care? I wonder how many of my 730+ comments and answers you've seen. I'm pro-care and pro-boundaies, and my answers vary with the circumstances of the question. This is not about ideology for me, it is about what seems sensible in a given situation. And of course we have a very limited glimpse of any situation posted.

You think that I don't belong on these boards. You may be right. I am responsible 24/7 for the care of an 85 year-old-man with dementia and congestive heart failure. But he happens to be my husband, not my father. My 91 year old mother is living on her own and my 3 sisters and 1 of our brothers take care of most of the day-to-day needs. I am extremely grateful to them, because I don't know how I could stretch myself any thinner to do that caregiving, too. They keep me in the loop and include me in decision-making and I pitch in when I can, taking Ma to doctor appointments, etc. So I am interested in the topic of caregiving for elederly people. My slant on it is perhaps a little different than that of most participants.

There are some professional caregivers on here, too. They aren't caring for their own parents, either, but I find their contributions worthwhile.

I think if everybody on here were in exactly the same situation with exactly the same views the forums would be less valuable.

Now that you know you don't respect my views, I hope you will just skip over them in a thread, and keep on benefiting from other opinions.
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Jeanne I agree, Skipped. Janets thank you for the kind advice but you have it backwards, she is not the oldest but the youngest, not the closest but the farthest and its not her marriage and kids she is sacraficing, as she has no kids, and if you call supporting a mooch who hardly works a marriage then so be it. I consider it being a sugar mama. I do have a real marriage and I have kids it doesn't stop me from pitching in to help when needed. It was after she got married and my Mom got sick that things changed suddenly and drastically. I have tried to set boundaries, I even encouraged my mom to look at assisted living faciltiies that would give her some daily activities and keep her around people her own age as opposed to just hanging around her house, I almost had her convinced to atleast try it, that is until my useless sister talked her out of it, saying how expensive it was. Hmmm now why would she do that? I'll tell you why, because it would cut into her inheritance plain and simple. Am I upset? You bet I am. I would rather my mom spend every penny she has on herself then to leave it to those who did nothing for her when she needed them the most. No you do not know my situation and I don't wish it on anyone. Being the sole caregiver with a sibling who has no kids and lives right down the street and yet does nothing because she is "so busy" is just wrong on so many levels. I didn't come here for an arguement and to be told "whats wrong with her setting boundaries" is just not right. How do you set boundaries when you dont' make any time to do anything for anyone other than yourself? Sounds to me like she is already wrapped around her boundaries which are all about her. I respect boundaries, but I have no tolerance for insensitivity and selfishness, my sister unfortunately suffers from both. I am going to check out that book though, I might just even send her a copy in the mail. thanks.
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janet another thing, I think you have my situation totally in reverse, lookin at your quote "I don't deny that your mom may be more impaired than your sister is willing to admit, but take a look at the entire situation, including your sister's feelings before digging in your heels and proclaiming that you will not allow your marriage and kids to be sacrificed. " My sister knows my mom needs help and I never said I would not allow my marriage and kids to be sacraficed, I think you might be responding to the original poster which I am not.
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Joym, maybe Janets comments don't fit your situation because she was answering the poster of this thread, jenniegoo.
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I know I realized that afterwards, I'm so sorry, I got thrown off when she referred to the original poster by my name. Thanks.
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