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GardenArtist - thanks for raising this question. I've been doing a lot of thinking about this too, in a somewhat related vein.

I often read statements to the effect that fewer women are available to be caregivers now because most women work outside the home and have to work. (That statement is countered by statistics showing that working women do as much caregiving (for the elderly) as nonworking women - they just spread themselves thinner to do it.) I think both statements are missing the better part of the point.

I have worked all my life, from baby-sitting and dime-store cashier jobs in my teens, then factory work to put myself through college, to a 30-year career as a legal consultant (from which I recently retired). I believe that paid labor, and especially professional work, changes our view of ourselves in profound ways. We learn that we have talents. We learn that our time and energy is worth something, a lot of something. We figure out what we like and what we don't like, and what we're good at and not good at.

Caregiving is something I would never do as a career. I don't like it and I'm not good at it. Well, maybe I am good at it, but it doesn't utilize my talents in a way that challenges me or stimulates me or nourishes me. Because of that, I don't get satisfaction from it. At heart, I don't feel I ought to be doing this at all.

Being retired, I have plenty of time, but that's really not the point. Not to me. Another consequence of working at paying jobs for 30+ years is that you expect to be able to retire. Homemakers don't retire, but employees do. You expect to have that time to enjoy the fruits of your many years of labor. Not to launch into a new (unpaid) career at something you would never have considered doing as a job.

So yes, the emotional conflict is the part of the original post that resonates with me. I am completely conflicted emotionally about giving up any of my remaining time on caregiving. It's like the old song "How you gonna keep 'em dow on the farm, after they've seen Paree??"
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Flyer, I well remember shop class. When I was in high school the only sport for girls was cheerleading. My, how things have changed. And, my use of the word "broad" was not meant as a play on words. I'm not that clever!
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Windy, ok, was that a play on words when you said "Raise such a BROAD topic." :)
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Not long ago my Dad [93] asked me to quit my career so I could have more time to be around him and Mom [97] as they still live by themselves in their large home.... I then asked Dad "did you quit your career to take care of your own parents?"...... Dad became silent, I knew what his answer would be and he never asked me again.

I did add to his discussion that since I am a woman of my generation, it will take MUCH longer to obtain the retirement level that he and Mom have, because of the wage gap I faced for all those decades. Back in my youth, I got my degree in Accounting but all employees were interested in was "how fast can you type?". I lost out on a promotion with a Fortune 500 company, it went to a male employee who didn't have any college and had been with the company only a couple of years... [sigh].

My parents still are bias when it comes to doctors who are women [Mom claims men are smarter, women should be home having babies]. Mom doesn't even like female sports casters [what do they know about sports].

At least now female students in high school don't automatically have to take "home ed" class, and the male students take "wood shop" :)
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Thanks for the answers - lots to think about - regional attitudes and expectations, social issues, politics...

I'll be back after I've mentally digested these as I really appreciate your insights but you've each raised some very important issues. I appreciate your responses, very much.
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Raise such a BROAD topic....I meant to say...good grief....
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Interesting thoughts all. I'm a 60 year old man. I've been participating on this site for awhile now and a couple of points are clear to me:

About 98% of the posters are women and a large amount of these women are caring for their husbands mom and/or dad. I'm sure many of these women are caregivers by choice and wouldn't have it any other way, but I think we all (a few men maybe) know that caregiving is seen as traditionally as women's work.

Men's point of view? Most could care less and are very grateful that wife, sis, granny, auntie, girlfriend are changing the adult diapers. I say most, yes there are some wonderful exceptions to the rule, I acually know a couple of men who do what needs to be done and wife keeps her job and sanity.

To be quite honest I didn't want to be left solely responsible for my elderly parents but due to the death and disentagration of most of my family I'm it. I would have loved to have had sis or auntie jump in and I would never have set foot on this web site. Trust me, I'm a very reluctant hero.

Given the deck stacked against women politically , economically and otherwise attitudes are slowing changing, at least in this country. Men are assuming more childcare and housekeeping duties and eldercare duties. But it has been slooooooooow..........

I don't think you can raise such a broad without addressing American politics. With the turn to the extreme right in the US you can forget about things getting any better for minorities, working people, students, caregivers and the elderly. Government has become a bad thing which should be destroyed. You're on your own. Stack up the bibles and guns and may the strongest survive. Any offence to tea party members wa totally intended.

Ps I hope the site guys don't delete this. This took for ever on my mini I pad!
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cwillie, if I could like what you wrote 10 times, I would. Very well stated.
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I sometimes joke that my employment has covered all the traditional womanly roles, childcare, house cleaner, cook and now I am a caregiver to my elderly mother. I haven't done any sewing yet though...
Every one of these jobs are at the bottom end of the pay scale.
Although the women's movement bristled in the 70's when women were described as “just a housewife” the attitude behind it has persevered, only now it is held by both men and women and directed at those who are employed in such jobs. Women may have been emancipated from having to depend on a man for our livelihood and self worth, but we have not left behind the attitude that traditional women's work has little value.
So where am I going with this? Not every woman (or man for that matter) would want to give up a satisfying career to care for a parent or spouse, but unfortunately those do are often impoverished because their contribution is not seen as having any value, indeed they are often scorned by others for dropping out of the race and marginalized. Politicians pay lip service to the benefits of the army of caregivers and applaud how our dedication saves our healthcare systems (whichever country you are in) millions of dollars, but in reality little has been done to ease the financial burden of the individual caregiver. They can't add up those unpaid hours when it comes to contributions to future pension plans and future employers will continue to look askance at the blank spot in their resumes.
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BTW, I like the talk of Asian women. I've heard in the past that Japanese women do this and Indian women do even more. And I think, yeah, but why would we want to be like them?
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It is an interesting question. GA. Here in Alabama we have a society that is split between the old and new ways of the world. Women in the "new" families are raised to get an advanced education and to work outside the home. Women in the "old" families tend to be from more primitive Baptist congregations. Women in these families are raised with the expectation that they will make lots of babies and spend their lives serving others. They may go to college, but often it is a soft major like performance music. The goal is to teach music to children and to play in churches. It is not to become a concert pianist that tours the world.

I don't think either one is bad, but they sit in judgment of each other. The "new woman" talks of how repressed the "old woman" is and how it is not fair to raise girls that way. The "old woman" says the "new woman" is of the world and not of God. Not honoring parents, obeying husbands, and having as many children as possible is not acting in accordance to God's wishes. (And don't get me started on the sanctity of marriage!)

To be a woman right now means that someone will criticize, whatever you do, in the old South. The religious right has been losing their stronghold, but it is still quite healthy. What is going to happen in the future, I don't know. I do think one of the most wonderful things about women is their capacity to care for others. I hope we don't throw that baby out with the bathwater as society evolves.

Still, I think of a time where society has solved the problem on eldercare so that women don't have to sacrifice so much to take care of others. I think it was easier to tackle childcare, because kids are cute. Eldercare facilities tend to want an arm and leg for pay.
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