Managing Your Elderly Parent's Assets to Qualify for Medicaid

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Asset Test
Auntie, or any applicant, could not retain more than $2,000 in liquid assets, plus these exempt assets:

  • The home: if the single applicant intends to return or if a spouse or disabled child live there (time limits may apply)
  • Furnishings, personal belongings
  • Car
  • Pre-paid burial assets
  • $1,500 face value life insurance

To prevent spousal impoverishment, Medicaid would allow uncle, the community spouse living outside a nursing facility, to retain the exempt assets plus:

  • His own retirement accounts 
  • Community spouse resource allowance -- 50% of the "countable" other assets which for them included some CDs and mutual funds. There are minimums and maximums to contend with that can change yearly but are determined for each couple by asset values on the date of admission. Community/marital property laws are disregarded.

Asset Spend Down
Like many others, auntie would have to "spend down" her share of the countable assets. They had saved for a rainy day and it was pouring! In her case, we estimated that it would take less than a year and we were right! Eight months later she hit $1990. We had pre-paid her burial expenses and also had to cancel a life insurance policy with a face value of $5,000 and decrease coverage on another to the $1,500 limit.

Since Medicaid looks at the income needs of the community spouse, he was allowed to keep a "minimum monthly maintenance needs allowance" which was more than 50% of their monthly income. Uncle later sold the home and used the proceeds to move into a Continuing Care Complex

Income Spend Down for Medically Needy
Some people might qualify from an asset standpoint but have too much income. There are benefits available for persons who reside in care facilities as well as those who do not. 

The latter have monthly income that exceeds the income limits, but whose "excess" income is consumed by medical or remedial expenses. These individuals must "spend down" that excess income on medical bills to qualify for Medicaid. It is a similar concept to a deductible. For example if income is $250 over the limit, once that amount in medical bills is accumulated, Medicaid pays the rest.

That is the situation that my uncle found himself in several years later, having depleted most of his assets. We never did sell his old beater car though – he kept saying he was going to drive again. He never did, but it meant a lot to him to have a goal.


June Schroeder is a Certified Financial Planner (CFP®) with Liberty Financial Group.

 
 

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suemccartin

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Sep 12, 2008

I've been through this, it sucked. There are ways to put stuff into trusts but it's got to be done at least five years before you need to have it done because of nursing home bills etc. My mother was so suspicious she would never even sign a power of attorney and refused to even talk to the attorney about a trust when I encouraged her too....in this case I was having a premonition. If your parents have homes and money they need to get the estate planner at 60 or earlier, don't wait for the problem to happen because it's too late then. I had to scramble like a mad thing to get done what I needed to in two months flat. She had a problem and the nursing home told me nothing (due to hippa laws) until the last second when I'm finally told she cannot be by herself she's not safe.......it was a very stressful and unpleasant mess fortunately I was able to justify a new vehicle and needed repairs to the house and paying off her credit cards to dump the money but I would have preferred to have that inheritence later not now.

 
 

Carolou

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Oct 15, 2008

At 83, my father I believe, is too old for an estate planner. Had my mother not spent his pension money, he would be in fine shape. But, to keep the peace, he did not fight with her about this. Fortunately, I have the POA, but the money situation and borrowing on credit lines to keep Dad in his beloved home, won't last forever. Had there been no reverse mortgage, based on what I have read on this site, I would have moved in. My husband died last November 2007, and in order
for both my dad and I to survive, we have shared the credit line money,
me, in part, not knowing how fast the dementia would cross over into full blown alzheimers. I read what others post about everything I can get to and I could not go to sleep tonight. I just knew there had to be a site somewhere where many others are dealing with this kind of circumstance. So, I turned the laptop back on and I am trying to glean from others' posts where I can learn and figure this all out,

 
 

TREESANSWER

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Oct 22, 2008

My grandfather has been in a non state operated nursing home for about a year. Now he has spend down and is going on medicaid. The nursing home wants to put him out because they do not want any more medicaid patients because they said that medicaid owes them money from last year on other people. I have one other person in this home and I like that home. When I put him in this home they said they would keep him when he goes on medicaid, but now they say no.

Is there any thing that can be done to keep him in this home.

 
 

Cat

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Oct 23, 2008

Call the ombudsman and talk to them about it. Technically they don't have to accept medi-caid, but you can state a case for your grandfather remaining due to Transfer Trauma - DHS in most states as well as administrators are aware of how real and serious TT is for people in SNF's who are forced to move.

remember, squeaky wheel gets the grease. A chat with the local chamber of commerce and local city councilman can help too.

 
 

fishingal67

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Nov 29, 2008

My husband has Parkinson's and is fairly limited now, but I am still able to take care of him and he can do some hygiene task himself with mt help.

We are being urged by senior services to go on and apply for medicaid? I am concerned at what point is the proper time to institute the application process for our best financial position? We don't have many cash assets, a few small life insurance policies, our home we are still paying on, two older high mileage cars, which probably need to be replaced for a dependable vehicle? Having to pay a ongoing visa card balance presently for the forseeable future?

My husband will fight me if he gets to the nursing home stage or if my delicate health issues make me a candidate for care suddenly? I have had triple bypass and carotid surgery with small stroke in 98. I am 67 and he is 68.

We feel we need to move to a larger city for more specialized care and perhaps qualified home care? Presently, services are limited here on the coast which we love. Of course, moving cost could be formidable and then what about selling the house to do it?

We are planning on consulting with a local attorney but I post this to see if any of you can offer us any experienced insights or realistic advice?

Thank you for your possible interest?

If we choose the spousal impoverishment law here in Oregon, if he passes away, where does that leave me financially?

 
 

fishingal67

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Jan 5, 2009

There are national accreditation societies/organizations that can help refer you to competent and reputable professionals you seek. I can't recall their names off hand, but I'm sure you could locate them fast with a key word internet search and follow the suggested links you feel are appropriate?

I have to do this often for my husband.

 
 

I am told that a person is allowed to keep $2000.00Are people on social security allowed that priviledge

 
 

martin

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Jan 26, 2009

What are some of the legal personal items I can spend down some of my mothers money on? She has a couple thousand to much in her bank account.I have been told you can buy her a television etc. but I don't want to do anything wrong that would cause medicaid to stop the paperwork.Her house is in my brother and my name as is her cd's

thanks

 
 

What does suggest removal mean? Is it timeto remove questions that have not had any response?

 
 

To Martin You can put aside $1500.00 in the bank under her name as a death benefit to be used as a part of final expenses . You can also pay Funeral expenses. I have made arrangements for both my husband and for myself a couple of years ago.These are legitimate expenses and it is wonderful to get it done so that when the time comes the burden is lighter.Your mom may or may not want to deal with this, if she does she will b able to have her input and be assured that her wishes will be carried out

 
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