Can mom gift money to her grandkids so Medicare won't take it to pay for her nursing home?

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Q: Mom has Alzheimer’s and lives in a facility. My sister has power of attorney. Mom wants to gift $150,000 to grandkids rather than using it to pay for care. She worked all her life paying for Medicare. Shouldn't she be able to use it instead of her savings?

A: First, some general information on the subject:

The Deficit Reduction Act of 2006 significantly tightened the rules on making gifts in order to qualify for Medicaid. As a result, giving money to children or grandchildren at the time long-term care is needed may have some much-less-than-desirable consequences.

Qualifying for Medicaid

The rules for qualifying vary from state to state, but in general they are:

  • Income Requirement The maximum income you can receive for 2008 is $657 per month ($976 for a couple).
  • Asset Requirement (Also called the "Resource Requirement"). In general, you cannot have more than about $2,000 of assets. The types of assets that are considered as resources vary from state to state, but generally are: cash, checking and savings balances, CD's, stocks, bonds and mutual funds, real estate, and the surrender value of life insurance. Assets that are not considered resources may include your home, your car, your household goods, and certain other assets. These also vary from state to state, and may be subject to qualifications and limitations.
  • Other Requirements: You must provide proof of U.S. citizenship or satisfactory immigrant status, and proof of residence in your state. Your state's Medicaid program may also have age limitations and medical criteria for qualifying.

Gifts and Qualifying for Medicaid

Some people choose to give their assets to someone else in order to reach the $2,000 threshold. A limit on this practice is the so called, "look-back" period in the Medicaid qualifying rules. The look-back period is the amount of time after the gift is made that the gift-giver will not be eligible for Medicaid benefits.

Prior to 2006, the look-back period was three years before the gift was made. Now, the look-back period is five years before the application for Medicaid. So, as an example, if a year before applying for Medicaid you gave away the equivalent of three months of long-term care in your area, under the pre-2006 rules you would be denied Medicaid benefits for three months, starting at the time of the gift. Now, the penalty starts at the time of applying for Medicaid. So, if you give away all your money and then apply for Medicaid, you could be in a very big bind for up to five years. The effect of these rules is that if you need care and you have assets, you have to use those assets for the care first.

Quality of Care under Medicaid

While we are all looking for bargains, remember that quite often, "You get what you pay for." Facilities that are funded exclusively by Medicaid funds generally do not have the same resources as private facilities. In fact, many are severely lacking in the resources needed to maintain quality equipment, staff, and services. A 2007 study cited in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that patients enrolled in Medicaid managed care plans are less likely to achieve good blood pressure control, receive breast cancer screening, or receive many types of care in a timely manner compared to similar patients enrolled in private plans. Even if the quality of Medicaid care in your state is comparable to what you can get by paying for a private facility, there may be geographic or service restrictions that can really affect the patient's quality of life (as well as the family's).

Answering the Question

This is a difficult dilemma, and one that many families are facing. The dilemma can often be avoided or mitigated with advance planning, but that doesn't help in your case.

As the agent named on your mother's durable power of attorney, your sister has a fiduciary duty to act in your mother's best interest. Without knowing all the facts, it's unfair to say that Medicaid care would not be in her best interest, especially if her own preference would be to give the money to her family. The Medicare qualifying rules make it somewhat of a moot point- since your mother needs care now and has the assets now, it seems your sister will have to devote the assets toward paying for a private care facility. There may be other options. If she hasn't already, your sister should consult an attorney who is knowledgeable in this area to be sure she understands all the options available to her.


Jon Beyrer, CFP, EA, is Vice President of Financial Planning at Blankinship & Foster, LLC, and a member of the Financial Planning Association and National Association of Personal Financial Advisors. Read his full biography

 
 

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hattieforbes

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Apr 21, 2009

how do I get paid for taking care of mother - in- law?

 
 

gracie

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Apr 22, 2009

Nice article with mostly good information

 
 

mitzipinki

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Apr 24, 2009

I think as having POA, he really is right it is your sister's issue to be responsible for the finances. There is a reason your mother has given a family member POA. If things go awry, your sister will be held responsible. Your sister has POA and so the right to really gift a 150,000 may be beyond your mother's grasp.

I know in Michigan the gift per year is $10,000 without all the hassles. If the grandkids helped their grandmother (are older), then I'd say some compensation may be an option, but 150,00.... that just makes me cringe on what my mother was "gifting" and people took advantage of. I'm having to seek legal counsel over some of it.

All I can say is I hope things work out. Keep us informed.

 
 

2girldogs

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Nov 2, 2009

My mom was a victim of predatory loaning through Washington Mutual, not once, but twice. Any suggestions on how to go about gettin retribution

 
 

preciousm

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Dec 7, 2009

My father has alzheimer's and he is in a nursing home . My mother is at home, my oldest brother and his wife staying with her. Years ago my mother and father went to lawyer and had a will made. The attorney suggested for them to have their childrens names put on all their assets. So when they pass it would prevent the children from paying high price taxes.
Now because my father being in a nursing home will the nursing home get all of their assets?
Thank You

 
 

mitzipinki

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Dec 7, 2009

Being that people come from all over, I would really suggest that you consult a professional or elder law attorney that knows your state laws best and your situation specifics.

My parent's situation is similar, but I worked with the elder law attorney to work within the boundaries of the law. Depending on your parent's financial situation that may or may not be a possibility.

Do your homework well first and do NOT let them handle the "oh we'll contact social security for you" or other agencies. No offense to those who love the government, but do you really want someone else to dictate how the bills will or won't be paid?

My parent's assisted living facility asked me in the application process for all this personal financial information, etc.... I hand wrote a note right on the application that said, "When I stop paying the bills, this can be your concern."

My parent's are still there.

 
 

Ralph Robbins

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Dec 11, 2009

Slight error in the article...the income limit for Medicaid long-term care services in 2009 is $2,022 per month and will likely remain so for 2010.

With respect to the question, regardless of who holds power of attorney caregiving decisions (including financial) should be a family decision. I suspect that once everyone concerned has the correct information you will all be on the same page.

The issue is that with $150,000 in assets, if the care receiver lives long enough, there will be no money. Here are my thoughts...

ON SPENDING DOWN...

I very much appreciate those who believe that Medicaid eligibility rules should be adhered to and that those who are confronted with long-term care costs should spend down all of their own assets before qualifying for Medicaid benefits.

I would like to take a moment, however, to argue that this is not always the best route either for the well being of the elder and/or the family or for that matter, taxpayers and the state.

Let me preface by saying that in my work I could really care less about inheritances. Although the desire to pass along assets is strong, most understand that is the needs of the one requiring care and their spouse (if applicable) that is paramount.

Even though quite comprehensive in many ways, public benefits do not pay for "everything". If in a nursing home the patient is going to need many things that Medicaid will not pay for (including rudimentary things like CLOTHING!).

If entering an assisted living facility under long-term care diversion, income will definitely be required to pay for room and board expenses plus any additional levels of care that may be required in the future.

In short, I believe it is very, very bad advice to simply spend down without exploring reasonable methods to preserve funds for the care receivers benefit. It is true that some of these methods may also preserve a portion of assets for heirs, but that certainly is not always the case.

In my view, the most effective planning is that which coordinates the client's own resources along with public benefits so he/she can age in place for as long as possible with as much dignity and financial peace of mind as possible.

When proper coordination is done everyone wins including the public trust How does the state benefit? Many states now have diversion programs to keep those who would otherwise be seeking more expensive nursing care at home or in less expensive facilities. By intervening early with home based and community services outcomes will be better and LESS expensive.

There are several methods to preserve a portion of the patients assets for their use while on Medicaid while still being able to qualify for Medicaid immediately or within relatively short periods of time.

I encourage all of you confronted with these matters to not go blindly down the path of spend down.

 
 

lcs

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Dec 11, 2009

With regards to parents putting what they own in their childrens' names so that settling of the will is easier or gives the inheritors less, a note of caution. I was warned by more than one financial advisor that putting everything in childrens' names is risky business here in Canada (I don't know about elsewhere). If the children get into financial difficulties or are sued (due to an accident or whatever), everything that the parents have put in their childrens' names is considered part of the childrens' assets (and thus could be taken). Also, parents have to believe that their children will, under NO circumstances, use what is basically their parents' possessions as collateral. Parents have to KNOW that their children won't gamble away or lose in some other way their parents' possessions WHILE their parents still need these assets. There probably ARE ways to get around this risky business but I imagine it is a complicated process? In Canada it is possible to inherit what I consider a generous amount tax-free so parents signing everything over to the children seems like taking a big risk for little gain. What is the situation in the U.S.?

I also think that most people work so that they can be self-supporting, even in old age. If EVERYONE in their old age reduced their assets to next to nothing and depended on the government (ie taxpayers) to support them in their old age, what would happen? Could any government afford to do this? And how good would the care be? I, for one, hope I don't have to depend on the government to look after me when I am in my dotage BUT the more that do, the worse the care will have to become. I say, leave government support of the old for those elders that have no other resources. I think that was originally the purpose of legislating such support. ???

 
 

lmw124

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Dec 11, 2009

What do I do about Christmas gifts of $1,000 each that mom gave to her children and grandchildren in December 2004? Mom went into nursing home September 9, 2009. Is she in trouble because it is just barely within the five-year look back period? At the time she did this, mom did not anticipate ever having to go to a nursing home because I had moved in with her and she assumed I would be able to take care of her until she died. However, she got worse and I was unable to keep taking care of her myself. I am still on an emotional roller-coaster over this, as I had promised she wouldn't have to go to a nursing home. I guess hindsight tells me I shouldn't have made a promise that I wouldn't be able to keep. Now mom is all upset about being in the nursing home, thinks it was a big conspiracy plan by her family to have her in the nursing home, and really upset about only have $50 spending money every month (just barely enough for getting her hair done). She was used to a pretty high standard of living before this all happened.

 
 

mitzipinki

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Dec 11, 2009

rsrobbins, this is some very good advice. It is so true to "preserve" assets for their care. Legal advice is really the best way to go. There are too many things that go on that no one family member or person can understand totally on their own. Especially with laws always changing.

lcs, good observations. From what I'm experiencing in Michigan is pretty similar to Canada. What really grates on my last nerve is that the government will not allow them to receive assistance until assets are "gone" so to speak or to a minimum, but yet once they put the "temptation" into someone else's hands, then they can prosecute for elder abuse or financial elder abuse... I have a solution.... QUIT PUTTING SOMEONE IN THAT POSITION TO TEMPT THEM (sorry for the yelling). I just get so mad at that!

Thanks for helping clarify this issue.

 
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